Why does Clemency get interrupted? And why does Sword/Shield Oath reset combo?

[Februs]

No, you don't know how tank stances work. It doesn't matter that I compared Rampart to Defiance, it provides the same amount of mitigation as Shield Oath. Shield Oath is a 2520%reduction in damage, which equals a 25% increase in eHP, which equals the eHP WAR gains from Defiance.

And now your original comment makes much more sense.

I will have to concede that I misunderstood your original post and was incorrect. When you said that it was a "20% reduced dmg from rampart," I mistakenly assumed you had all your numbers wrong. Worse yet, when I worked out the mitigation for ShO I made the mistake of applying ShO's mitigation directly to the Pld health pool instead of incoming dmg. This was extra stupid of me, since I myself said I was distinguishing between mitigated dmg and Hp gained. This was my mistake. You are correct.

More HP per heal is completely irrelevant

I already agreed with you in my previous post that War's receive less Hp per heal, despite healing at a faster rate. I did not argue against the fact that Pld's receive greater returns from heals in regards to their eHp (though I admit that I was undervaluing that amount). However, I still don't think that means that the amount of Hp restored is in any way irrelevant. To a healer, it's anything but irrelevant. Pld's passive Oath mitigation still provides an advantage so far as they are actually mitigating dmg, but (and I may be wrong on this so feel free to correct me) shouldn't War's be receiving their healing bonus regardless of continued mitigation (say downtime during cast bars, jumps, or Cooldown phases etc). Not to mention the fact that War's self-healing should more than compensate for any advantage ShO gives to effective healing of eHp ... or am I incorrect on that one as well?

[VanilleFang]

Healing WAR vs PLD

There was actually a thread in the Healer Forum before Heavensward hit where everyone was discussing which of the two tank classes they like to heal more. Most people said PLD because of the impact healing seems to have on their HP bar vs. a WAR's. No body really said they disliked healing WARs but that the larger HP pool made is appear that they needed to be healed more often.

[Kosmos992k]

20% damage reduction = 25% increased HP.

I understand your point, it depends on which end of the calculation you are looking at it from.

However, I was specifically replying to this

Shield Oath is a 25% reduction in damage

I get your point about the impact of a 20% reduction of incoming damage. I see your reply a few posts after my original with a correction, that's all I was after.

I have to admit however that on first glance when I saw Shield oath as a 25% reduction in damage equaling a 25% increase in eHP, I hadn't done the math, I was simply reacting to the %.

[Februs]

There was actually a thread in the Healer Forum before Heavensward hit where everyone was discussing which of the two tank classes they like to heal more. Most people said PLD because of the impact healing seems to have on their HP bar vs. a WAR's. No body really said they disliked healing WARs but that the larger HP pool made is appear that they needed to be healed more often.

I only recently started healing. I agree with this, but I'm actually a little torn on it. In a lot of ways, Pld's seem much easier to heal, but after a Tank buster or during a quite spell in a boss fight watching a War's Hp bar get a sudden jump is ... relaxing, I guess. I feel less panicked about their Hp bar because it shoots back up quickly. I also find I have to heal them less than Pld's because, despite their higher Hp bar, they self-heal so efficiently that I'm not always needed.

I guess the difference is that Pld's feel like they need a constant, but very steady, rate of healing. Whereas Wars need a bunch of healing ... and then you can take a break whenever they use Equilibrium or you see Bloodbath in their hotbar.

[alimdia]

Because SE hates you. That simple.

Seriously though, you're not wrong. Clemency isn't unusable or anything. It's great for AoE dmg, but not as useful as it could be. AT THE VERY LEAST, they should give Pld's a way of sure-casting it (Additional effect of Tempered Will. You know, that move that Pld's never use and often forget they even have... Just a thought).

Stance dancing should also be adjusted, if only for the current Dps meta. Right now, anytime a Pld has to contribute to a Dps check (say...Sacred Cross... or even the Sword Oath Knight in Thor EX) they are made even less effective because of combo canceling. Swapping to Sword Oath wastes precious time, and not being able to swap back on the fly (because no Pld in their right mind wants to be in SwO when a buffed Holy Blade dance goes off) restricts them to basically clenching their butt cheeks and hoping for the best.

HG buffed holy blade dance wut

[Brannigan]

Honestly I've found Sentinel + Halone to be more than enough to handle it as long as no one gives them Battle Fever. Even with that just tossing in a Foresight or something works.

[VanilleFang]

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Yeah. It's more of a mentality thing. Like "he has 12k HP and my Cure will only him 1.6k. Ahhh! He has so much HP, my healing will be so weak on him!" with a WAR.

[Februs]

Honestly I've found Sentinel + Halone to be more than enough to handle it as long as no one gives them Battle Fever. Even with that just tossing in a Foresight or something works.

Agreed. Unless they have battle fever or my healers are asleep and my Hp is already dangerously low, I find using HG on a Holy Bladedance is a wasted buff that I could spend in a later phase when it's more convenient. Sentinel does the job just fine, especially if the healer or I threw on an extra Stoneskin for good measure. Problem solved. The only time I've had to waste a HG here is if the Dps are getting themselves killed and the healer's attention is divided.

[Synestra]

WHILE mitigating 20% damage AND hitting with a 300 potency attack.

Or simply hit Holmgang and take it to the face like a man(it also has same recast as sentinel so it is kinda "spammabe" when it comes to godmode CD's)and use those stacks on FC instead. Also is there even warriors out there that uses loldefiance for anything else except enabling the use of IB anymore? most just sits in deliverance and swaps defiance only for IB and after that back to deliverance pewpew.

[alimdia]

Agreed. Unless they have battle fever or my healers are asleep and my Hp is already dangerously low, I find using HG on a Holy Bladedance is a wasted buff that I could spend in a later phase when it's more convenient. Sentinel does the job just fine, especially if the healer or I threw on an extra Stoneskin for good measure. Problem solved. The only time I've had to waste a HG here is if the Dps are getting themselves killed and the healer's attention is divided.

I meant using HG in sword oath vs the sword knight.
Killing that knight before it swaps, and you won't need any more CDs