about the ToS and parsing

[kingatlas]

I was a GM and raid leader for 2000 Years, and we only used parsers to make sure our pets were doing their damage at the best rotations.
If they didn't we didn't point fingers either, WoW people don't do that, we skinned them alive and ate their remains, giving us their strength,

Also I only bring up WoW, in every conversations, when I need to prove how awesome I am.
I played WoW, yo, I KNOW I am perfection squared.

If someone else want to make a point, I definetly will not let them ever have the last word, cause that would mean losing, And I played WoW and was a gm and raid leader so I don't lose ever (expect in every aspect of real life)

So take that noobs, git gud, l2p, and ask me about my Horde forever tattoo, no regrets there.

[Raikki]

No. You never need to find out who's pulling their weight, because that's completely irrelevant. Neither winning nor losing a fight are ever a problem. You're allowed to lose fights. You're not allowed to use third party programs to access information you're not supposed to have. Not being good enough to win legitimately doesn't give you the right to cheat.

By all means let's go back to blaming DPS check failures on the person with the lowest iLvl or whoever the new guy is. That's a much better solution, I agree.

[Colorful]

No. You never need to find out who's pulling their weight, because that's completely irrelevant. Neither winning nor losing a fight are ever a problem. You're allowed to lose fights. You're not allowed to use third party programs to access information you're not supposed to have. Not being good enough to win legitimately doesn't give you the right to cheat.

Parsing is cheating now? These forums can be odd at times.

But you won't get banned for it as long as you don't go around screaming "I PARSE BAN ME" in game, or harass people for pushing out low numbers. There's videos of people with parsers running, livestreams even, SE could ban them and they'd be allowed to do so, but they don't as they're fine with it as long as you don't harass people.

[loreleidiangelo]

By all means let's go back to blaming DPS check failures on the person with the lowest iLvl or whoever the new guy is. That's a much better solution, I agree.

If everyone is the same item level and no one is new, I hear that BRDs/MCHs are the new "it" scapegoat!

Facts are for losers.

[Fenral]

Before the nonsense that was Savage Alexander came to be, most fights were balanced in such a way that the most surefire way of beating enrage was to do mechanics correctly. I'm having trouble thinking of wipes my raid group had that we couldn't directly attribute to some earlier mechanical failure.

If you need to "blame" any one person, you're already doing the "team" thing wrong.

[AsteriaStarfall]

No. You never need to find out who's pulling their weight, because that's completely irrelevant. Neither winning nor losing a fight are ever a problem. You're allowed to lose fights. You're not allowed to use third party programs to access information you're not supposed to have. Not being good enough to win legitimately doesn't give you the right to cheat.

I'm giving an example of why they should be allowed in the game. I'm not saying go use them to cheat, it is meant to say. "Hey SE, this is why you should allow them"

I'm going to use made up and simple numbers here for an example:
DPS check needed to clear the fight 2k per second from entire raid dps group

Let's say there are 10 DPS

9 dps are doing 2k/second
1 dps is doing 1.5k/second

Now do the simple math: Does ((2000 x 9) + 1500) / 10 = 2000?
Answer: No it does not.

Now, how are you going to help that one dps out if he and the rest do not know the numbers? How do you tell where to start helping?
More importantly how do you even clear it since you don't know where to start with the advice?

Simple, how you clear it now, is simply overgear for it, and then go back when things are easier, instead of the challenge it was.

Folks, what it boils down to is that as of right now, parsers are not allowed. That is fine. But at least get the points across to why they should or should not be allowed.
That is what all of my posts have been for, the reasons why they should be allowed. Take it however you wish, some of you want to so quickly point fingers saying "That person right there must parse because they want to use them"
Have never once run a parser in this game, however after trying some of the savage and extreme fights, it would be great if you could use them, especially with FC members to HELP each other out.

The tool is only as good as the player using it.

Before the nonsense that was Savage Alexander came to be, most fights were balanced in such a way that the most surefire way of beating enrage was to do mechanics correctly.

However if the fights like Alex savage are the way SE will be going with the fights, then either something needs to be there to help in game, or allow the dps parser That ultimately is my point.

[Daenarys_Targaryen]

Any third-party program that is used to analyze, modify or connect to Final Fantasy XIV is a bannable offense. Thems the rules. Parsers are not allowed. Yes Yoshi has said stuff on it, but the ToS are saying that NO third-party program is allowed, which includes parsers. Yoshi's comment on them is the legal team does not allow them, however if you dont post results, talk about using them etc then they have no proof you use one. If you post results and someone reports you, its bannable, just most people probably wouldnt cause they dont care. Its just your more likely to get reported if you start bullying people with the results.

[Destomius]

I didn't parse. I copy pasted the battle log to a notepad, added the total amount of damage this particular player did, and divided it by the amount of time elapsed according to the log's timestamps to estimate their DPS.

Prove I'm lying.

[Fenral]

However if the fights like Alex savage are the way SE will be going with the fights, then either something needs to be there to help in game, or allow the dps parser That ultimately is my point.

Pretty sure Yoshida's already come to terms with Alex Savage's tuning having been a terrible mistake. Thordan EX is already much more mechanic-driven, and the next major raid's difficulty will apparently be lower.

[Niamh_Rillemaugh]

I didn't parse. I copy pasted the battle log to a notepad, added the total amount of damage this particular player did, and divided it by the amount of time elapsed according to the log's timestamps to estimate their DPS.

Prove I'm lying.

Gonna get in trouble for using notepad...