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    Quote Originally Posted by AsteriaStarfall View Post
    Technically. It's only really a problem if your raid DPS is to low for these tight dps check fights and you need to find out who is not pulling their weight.

    Fixed that for you
    No. You never need to find out who's pulling their weight, because that's completely irrelevant. Neither winning nor losing a fight are ever a problem. You're allowed to lose fights. You're not allowed to use third party programs to access information you're not supposed to have. Not being good enough to win legitimately doesn't give you the right to cheat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Niwashi View Post
    No. You never need to find out who's pulling their weight, because that's completely irrelevant. Neither winning nor losing a fight are ever a problem. You're allowed to lose fights. You're not allowed to use third party programs to access information you're not supposed to have. Not being good enough to win legitimately doesn't give you the right to cheat.
    By all means let's go back to blaming DPS check failures on the person with the lowest iLvl or whoever the new guy is. That's a much better solution, I agree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raikki View Post
    By all means let's go back to blaming DPS check failures on the person with the lowest iLvl or whoever the new guy is. That's a much better solution, I agree.
    If everyone is the same item level and no one is new, I hear that BRDs/MCHs are the new "it" scapegoat!

    Facts are for losers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Niwashi View Post
    No. You never need to find out who's pulling their weight, because that's completely irrelevant. Neither winning nor losing a fight are ever a problem. You're allowed to lose fights. You're not allowed to use third party programs to access information you're not supposed to have. Not being good enough to win legitimately doesn't give you the right to cheat.
    Parsing is cheating now? These forums can be odd at times.

    But you won't get banned for it as long as you don't go around screaming "I PARSE BAN ME" in game, or harass people for pushing out low numbers. There's videos of people with parsers running, livestreams even, SE could ban them and they'd be allowed to do so, but they don't as they're fine with it as long as you don't harass people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Niwashi View Post
    No. You never need to find out who's pulling their weight, because that's completely irrelevant. Neither winning nor losing a fight are ever a problem. You're allowed to lose fights. You're not allowed to use third party programs to access information you're not supposed to have. Not being good enough to win legitimately doesn't give you the right to cheat.
    I'm giving an example of why they should be allowed in the game. I'm not saying go use them to cheat, it is meant to say. "Hey SE, this is why you should allow them"

    I'm going to use made up and simple numbers here for an example:
    DPS check needed to clear the fight 2k per second from entire raid dps group

    Let's say there are 10 DPS

    9 dps are doing 2k/second
    1 dps is doing 1.5k/second

    Now do the simple math: Does ((2000 x 9) + 1500) / 10 = 2000?
    Answer: No it does not.

    Now, how are you going to help that one dps out if he and the rest do not know the numbers? How do you tell where to start helping?
    More importantly how do you even clear it since you don't know where to start with the advice?

    Simple, how you clear it now, is simply overgear for it, and then go back when things are easier, instead of the challenge it was.

    Folks, what it boils down to is that as of right now, parsers are not allowed. That is fine. But at least get the points across to why they should or should not be allowed.
    That is what all of my posts have been for, the reasons why they should be allowed. Take it however you wish, some of you want to so quickly point fingers saying "That person right there must parse because they want to use them"
    Have never once run a parser in this game, however after trying some of the savage and extreme fights, it would be great if you could use them, especially with FC members to HELP each other out.

    The tool is only as good as the player using it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenral View Post
    Before the nonsense that was Savage Alexander came to be, most fights were balanced in such a way that the most surefire way of beating enrage was to do mechanics correctly.
    However if the fights like Alex savage are the way SE will be going with the fights, then either something needs to be there to help in game, or allow the dps parser That ultimately is my point.
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    Last edited by AsteriaStarfall; 12-09-2015 at 05:14 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AsteriaStarfall View Post
    However if the fights like Alex savage are the way SE will be going with the fights, then either something needs to be there to help in game, or allow the dps parser That ultimately is my point.
    Pretty sure Yoshida's already come to terms with Alex Savage's tuning having been a terrible mistake. Thordan EX is already much more mechanic-driven, and the next major raid's difficulty will apparently be lower.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Niwashi View Post
    No. You never need to find out who's pulling their weight, because that's completely irrelevant. Neither winning nor losing a fight are ever a problem. You're allowed to lose fights. You're not allowed to use third party programs to access information you're not supposed to have. Not being good enough to win legitimately doesn't give you the right to cheat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Niwashi View Post
    No. You never need to find out who's pulling their weight, because that's completely irrelevant. Neither winning nor losing a fight are ever a problem. You're allowed to lose fights. You're not allowed to use third party programs to access information you're not supposed to have. Not being good enough to win legitimately doesn't give you the right to cheat.
    Spoken like a true casual
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    Life's a tease.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dank1 View Post
    Spoken like a true casual
    As though that had anything at all to do with what the Terms of Service allow. Playstyle does not impact your rights to the software.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Niwashi View Post
    As though that had anything at all to do with what the Terms of Service allow. Playstyle does not impact your rights to the software.
    You'd think the message from the developer would have already cleared up this argument. Right?

    Edit: https://youtu.be/3-WXYg-S05U?t=6m3s That's the answer to the OP. They're against the rules, but they're not actively seeking to ban people using them as they understand its part of the MMORPG culture on PC. Bots = bad, Parsers = People's gonna use them, just don't brag because you have them and PS4 players don't.
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    Last edited by Arrak; 12-09-2015 at 09:33 AM.

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