about the ToS and parsing

[AsteriaStarfall]

Technically. It's only really a problem if your raid strategies are relying on information that you shouldn't have.

Technically. It's only really a problem if your raid DPS is to low for these tight dps check fights and you need to find out who is not pulling their weight.

Fixed that for you

[Fenral]

Technically. It's only really a problem if your raid DPS is to low for these tight dps check fights and you need to find out who is not pulling their weight.

Fixed that for you

No, it was a problem when people were reading the "real" HP values of bosses in the days before the percentage was displayed in-game. As the information wasn't provided by the UI, it was never meant to be a major component of raid strategies. This was also back in the Second Coil days, when things besides DPS still mattered.

As I said before, reading DPS on it's own isn't the issue. But feel free to get defensive about why you parse, and even why you need to be sure where to point fingers when the group fails. That's A+ teamwork right there.

[AsteriaStarfall]

No, it was a problem when people were reading the "real" HP values of bosses in the days before the percentage was displayed in-game. As the information wasn't provided by the UI, it was never meant to be a major component of raid strategies. This was also back in the Second Coil days, when things besides DPS still mattered.

As I said before, reading DPS on it's own isn't the issue. But feel free to get defensive about why you parse, and even why you need to be sure where to point fingers when the group fails. That's A+ teamwork right there.

You either completely miss my point or want to label me as someone that likes to point fingers.

GM and raid leader for 4 years in WoW. Used recount, and skada on every end game raid fight that we kept wiping to. Because of that, i was able to help the raid team members out (especially when we got new ones) and helped to tweak their reforges and gems accordingly. Then we went into the same fight and tried it again and compared the dps.

DPS meter =/= Pointing fingers

What it CAN be used for is a tool to HELP your team members. It is just a tool, it is what people use it for that can either be helpful or hurtful.

[Niwashi]

Technically. It's only really a problem if your raid DPS is to low for these tight dps check fights and you need to find out who is not pulling their weight.

Fixed that for you

No. You never need to find out who's pulling their weight, because that's completely irrelevant. Neither winning nor losing a fight are ever a problem. You're allowed to lose fights. You're not allowed to use third party programs to access information you're not supposed to have. Not being good enough to win legitimately doesn't give you the right to cheat.

[Raikki]

No. You never need to find out who's pulling their weight, because that's completely irrelevant. Neither winning nor losing a fight are ever a problem. You're allowed to lose fights. You're not allowed to use third party programs to access information you're not supposed to have. Not being good enough to win legitimately doesn't give you the right to cheat.

By all means let's go back to blaming DPS check failures on the person with the lowest iLvl or whoever the new guy is. That's a much better solution, I agree.

[loreleidiangelo]

By all means let's go back to blaming DPS check failures on the person with the lowest iLvl or whoever the new guy is. That's a much better solution, I agree.

If everyone is the same item level and no one is new, I hear that BRDs/MCHs are the new "it" scapegoat!

Facts are for losers.

[Colorful]

No. You never need to find out who's pulling their weight, because that's completely irrelevant. Neither winning nor losing a fight are ever a problem. You're allowed to lose fights. You're not allowed to use third party programs to access information you're not supposed to have. Not being good enough to win legitimately doesn't give you the right to cheat.

Parsing is cheating now? These forums can be odd at times.

But you won't get banned for it as long as you don't go around screaming "I PARSE BAN ME" in game, or harass people for pushing out low numbers. There's videos of people with parsers running, livestreams even, SE could ban them and they'd be allowed to do so, but they don't as they're fine with it as long as you don't harass people.

[AsteriaStarfall]

No. You never need to find out who's pulling their weight, because that's completely irrelevant. Neither winning nor losing a fight are ever a problem. You're allowed to lose fights. You're not allowed to use third party programs to access information you're not supposed to have. Not being good enough to win legitimately doesn't give you the right to cheat.

I'm giving an example of why they should be allowed in the game. I'm not saying go use them to cheat, it is meant to say. "Hey SE, this is why you should allow them"

I'm going to use made up and simple numbers here for an example:
DPS check needed to clear the fight 2k per second from entire raid dps group

Let's say there are 10 DPS

9 dps are doing 2k/second
1 dps is doing 1.5k/second

Now do the simple math: Does ((2000 x 9) + 1500) / 10 = 2000?
Answer: No it does not.

Now, how are you going to help that one dps out if he and the rest do not know the numbers? How do you tell where to start helping?
More importantly how do you even clear it since you don't know where to start with the advice?

Simple, how you clear it now, is simply overgear for it, and then go back when things are easier, instead of the challenge it was.

Folks, what it boils down to is that as of right now, parsers are not allowed. That is fine. But at least get the points across to why they should or should not be allowed.
That is what all of my posts have been for, the reasons why they should be allowed. Take it however you wish, some of you want to so quickly point fingers saying "That person right there must parse because they want to use them"
Have never once run a parser in this game, however after trying some of the savage and extreme fights, it would be great if you could use them, especially with FC members to HELP each other out.

The tool is only as good as the player using it.

Before the nonsense that was Savage Alexander came to be, most fights were balanced in such a way that the most surefire way of beating enrage was to do mechanics correctly.

However if the fights like Alex savage are the way SE will be going with the fights, then either something needs to be there to help in game, or allow the dps parser That ultimately is my point.

[Fenral]

However if the fights like Alex savage are the way SE will be going with the fights, then either something needs to be there to help in game, or allow the dps parser That ultimately is my point.

Pretty sure Yoshida's already come to terms with Alex Savage's tuning having been a terrible mistake. Thordan EX is already much more mechanic-driven, and the next major raid's difficulty will apparently be lower.

[zosia]

No. You never need to find out who's pulling their weight, because that's completely irrelevant. Neither winning nor losing a fight are ever a problem. You're allowed to lose fights. You're not allowed to use third party programs to access information you're not supposed to have. Not being good enough to win legitimately doesn't give you the right to cheat.