about the ToS and parsing

[AsteriaStarfall]

No. You never need to find out who's pulling their weight, because that's completely irrelevant. Neither winning nor losing a fight are ever a problem. You're allowed to lose fights. You're not allowed to use third party programs to access information you're not supposed to have. Not being good enough to win legitimately doesn't give you the right to cheat.

I'm giving an example of why they should be allowed in the game. I'm not saying go use them to cheat, it is meant to say. "Hey SE, this is why you should allow them"

I'm going to use made up and simple numbers here for an example:
DPS check needed to clear the fight 2k per second from entire raid dps group

Let's say there are 10 DPS

9 dps are doing 2k/second
1 dps is doing 1.5k/second

Now do the simple math: Does ((2000 x 9) + 1500) / 10 = 2000?
Answer: No it does not.

Now, how are you going to help that one dps out if he and the rest do not know the numbers? How do you tell where to start helping?
More importantly how do you even clear it since you don't know where to start with the advice?

Simple, how you clear it now, is simply overgear for it, and then go back when things are easier, instead of the challenge it was.

Folks, what it boils down to is that as of right now, parsers are not allowed. That is fine. But at least get the points across to why they should or should not be allowed.
That is what all of my posts have been for, the reasons why they should be allowed. Take it however you wish, some of you want to so quickly point fingers saying "That person right there must parse because they want to use them"
Have never once run a parser in this game, however after trying some of the savage and extreme fights, it would be great if you could use them, especially with FC members to HELP each other out.

The tool is only as good as the player using it.

Before the nonsense that was Savage Alexander came to be, most fights were balanced in such a way that the most surefire way of beating enrage was to do mechanics correctly.

However if the fights like Alex savage are the way SE will be going with the fights, then either something needs to be there to help in game, or allow the dps parser That ultimately is my point.

[Fenral]

However if the fights like Alex savage are the way SE will be going with the fights, then either something needs to be there to help in game, or allow the dps parser That ultimately is my point.

Pretty sure Yoshida's already come to terms with Alex Savage's tuning having been a terrible mistake. Thordan EX is already much more mechanic-driven, and the next major raid's difficulty will apparently be lower.

[zosia]

No. You never need to find out who's pulling their weight, because that's completely irrelevant. Neither winning nor losing a fight are ever a problem. You're allowed to lose fights. You're not allowed to use third party programs to access information you're not supposed to have. Not being good enough to win legitimately doesn't give you the right to cheat.

[dank1]

No. You never need to find out who's pulling their weight, because that's completely irrelevant. Neither winning nor losing a fight are ever a problem. You're allowed to lose fights. You're not allowed to use third party programs to access information you're not supposed to have. Not being good enough to win legitimately doesn't give you the right to cheat.

Spoken like a true casual

[Niwashi]

Spoken like a true casual

As though that had anything at all to do with what the Terms of Service allow. Playstyle does not impact your rights to the software.

[Bhuni]

Spoken like a true casual

He's not casual, just a terrible player.

[Zojha]

I'd wager it falls under
2.5 Data Mining. You may not intercept, mine or otherwise collect information from the Game using unauthorized third party software.

http://support.na.square-enix.com/ru...2&tag=users_en

A parser is a third party program that collects information from the battle log (game), compiles it, then sends it back to you. As such, it's technically forbidden. However SE is willing to turn a blind on this offense if you do not use the compiled information in a way that negatively affects other players.

[Kosmos992k]

I'd wager it falls under
2.5 Data Mining. You may not intercept, mine or otherwise collect information from the Game using unauthorized third party software.

http://support.na.square-enix.com/ru...2&tag=users_en

A parser is a third party program that collects information from the battle log (game), compiles it, then sends it back to you. As such, it's technically forbidden. However SE is willing to turn a blind on this offense if you do not use the compiled information in a way that negatively affects other players.

I'd wager that you're spot on. /thread

Spoken like a true casual

He's not casual, just a terrible player.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
This is why some people do not want parsers.

[TessaJalloh]

under the letter of the TOS they're bannable due to parders being third party applications.

However, as they're mostly benign and practically undetectable, the general spirit of the law is 'don't abuse others with them', and 'don't ask, don't tell'. Personally, i don't find parsers as useful as people like to make out, they're hard numbers sure, but you don't need those hard numbers if you know your team well enough. Help everyone improve together, instead of singling out those who didn't do quite as well and telling them exactly how bad they performed.

[AhoyCaptain]

i don't find parsers as useful as people like to make out, they're hard numbers sure, but you don't need those hard numbers if you know your team well enough. Help everyone improve together, instead of singling out those who didn't do quite as well and telling them exactly how bad they performed.

Just want to say that if you're parsing to improve, you aren't using it to get "the hard numbers and single out players". You are using it to find improvements in your rotation, places you can improve uptime on dots, amount of times you used certain skills, and places in the encounter where it might be better to use or hold different skills. The number just lets you know definitively whether you made the improvements you were aiming for.