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    Quote Originally Posted by Zohar_Lahar View Post
    How would that work in the context of a roulette?
    You didn't say anything about the context of a roulette in your post. You just asked for yet another nerf to content that's already been nerfed several times from its original implementation. I don't think the raid roulette is a good idea, honestly.
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    There should be raid roulettes for the 24 mans... But coil? Mechanics are too intense for the average duty finder. I find people wiping on regular dungeon mechanics all the time. I couldn't imagine a bunch of randoms in some of the coil runs.

    I'm all for insentive to do coil, I love coil... But I don't have faith in the average duty finder. Same reason I don't want ex primals on duty either.
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    I'd love a coil roulette I really would!
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    I've been doing coils with my FC friends and I really don't believe that roulettes with pugs would work. People won't have the patience and/or skill for the mechanics, too much communication and coordination is required. Introducing the roulettes would cause tears and then the devs would gradually nerf the difficulty to the all too familiar faceroll level. Some folks might be happy with that, but I wouldn't be. IMHO this game needs more content which requires some actual effort, not less.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Squigley View Post
    I've been doing coils with my FC friends and I really don't believe that roulettes with pugs would work. People won't have the patience and/or skill for the mechanics, too much communication and coordination is required. Introducing the roulettes would cause tears and then the devs would gradually nerf the difficulty to the all too familiar faceroll level. Some folks might be happy with that, but I wouldn't be. IMHO this game needs more content which requires some actual effort, not less.
    It already is mostly faceroll just plain level sync with 30% echo so not much of a diff there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ruskie View Post
    It already is mostly faceroll just plain level sync with 30% echo so not much of a diff there.
    With echo it is easy, yeah (we play without echo). But I'd hesitate to call it faceroll. Maybe you've played them so much that your viewpoint has shifted because you know the tricks & mechanics so well?

    WRT echo: I want a way to permanently remove it! So annoying to always disable it after a wipe.
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    With the exception of a few fights I'd say the rest are faceroll easy with echo. Without echo and possibly at min ilvl though yeah that would be more fun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashkendor View Post
    You didn't say anything about the context of a roulette in your post. You just asked for yet another nerf to content that's already been nerfed several times from its original implementation. I don't think the raid roulette is a good idea, honestly.
    Well, considering the thread title provides the context of a roulette, I'd say it shouldn't be needed to be mentioned in every post ^^; Especially posts quoting posts referring to DF groups dropping out due to wipes.

    But I agree somewhat. A raid roulette wouldn't really be the best of ideas. Yes, mechanics are a lot easier with echo (plus automatic max ilvl for level 50, since you most likely get synched down), but unless you've done them...
    Actually, if the requirement for said roulette would be to have completed the involved turns, it'd be a bit better. Of course, you'd still get those who've only been carried or completed them Unsynched, so... Meh, I guess I just don't really see why it'd be needed. It's already been made easier to get groups for it because people want the mats for the replicas -- for first and second coil, at least. Final coil might get added next ilvl upgrade patch. (Though a fair point is that said incentive didn't exist at the time of this thread's creation.)
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    What would be nice is a Primal Extreme roulette >.>
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