Question to the Dev Team - Re: MCH and Self-Healing

[MrCookTM]

And where exactly is the need to make yet another thread, instead of just bumping the existing one you made on the exact same topic?

On the topic itself, there are quite a few classes without a self heal, they can just cross class the gimped (untraited) version of second wind that barey does anything. It's still a self heal, however the only reason to cross class it is the pure lack of better options, I'm pretty sure if there were better ones, SW would be the first thing to be switched out for most Nin/Drg/Brd players.

[Ephier]

And where exactly is the need to make yet another thread, instead of just bumping the existing one you made on the exact same topic?

Complains about new thread but comes in to bump anyways. You funny. Also Second Wind allows you to be greedy in certain situations mid cast. There are times you can just take an AoE, use SW and get the rest of your life back from regens. '-'

[MrCookTM]

Complains about new thread but comes in to bump anyways. You funny. Also Second Wind allows you to be greedy in certain situations mid cast. There are times you can just take an AoE, use SW and get the rest of your life back from regens. '-'

There's two threads now anyway, what should I have done? Reply in the other thread so both are bumped? You're certainly a very smart person...

Anyway... SW does what, 1k+ heal if it doesn't crit? There's barely any situation where 1k more or less hp will make a huge enough difference to really matter, the +/- 5% variation on incoming damage in this game would make it pretty dangerous to stand in something that would kill you without SW. Regarding healing back up after getting hit, it's the same. If you're so low that you need a heal, you will probably need a heal (or 'be healed') regardless of SW, no matter what.

It has it's uses... but the effect is too small to be a make or breaker in most situations. So I'd rather have the dev team spend they're time on something more useful than a tiny self heal for mch, that wouldn't do much in the end.

Monk can be greedy, yes. But traited SW is on a whole other level.

I'm not even going to touch physick on smn/blm... someone that physick's himself on one of these job's in any kind of even remotely serious group content, would just outright be removed from my group, without any further explanation. ^^

[Houston009]

SW would be the first thing to be switched out for most Nin/Drg/Brd players.

Not to nitpick, but Featherfoot, Keen Flurry, Mantra, Feint(NIN), and etc. would go well before Second Wind. Second Wind has saved lives plenty of times.

[MrCookTM]

Not to nitpick, but Featherfoot, Keen Flurry, Mantra, Feint(NIN), and etc. would go well before Second Wind. Second Wind has saved lives plenty of times.

I was talking about cc skills that people actually use, so things like featherfoot and feint were not considered. I completely disagree about mantra though, I weight cc'd mantra way higher, like wayyyyyy higher than untraited SW. But that's going to take the discussion into a direction that misses both the OP's and my point. What I am saying is just that in my opinion SE doesn't need to put developement time into somethinge that doesn't do that much for other dps classes (brd/nin/drg) or flat out nothing (smn/blm) as it is, better give mch some QoL and aesthetic changes so the class is more appealing to the playerbase in general.