The Bottom Feeders: Moves You Never Use and Why (Ver. 2)

[CyrilLucifer]

CMy personal vote is stoneskin though. During combat that extra 10% is not worth the steep mp cost

Before they nerfed WHM's Stoneskin, there were definitely times it was worth it, usually on tank busters. Sometimes you still use it that way. I also use it when people have vulnerability stacks and an AOE is coming.

SE really dropped the ball with WHM and Stoneskin, though.
Let's math it out. Post iLevel 205, you're going to be doing 3400-3500 per cure. That's 400ish MP. The average Strength tank at that iLevel is around 17k, I believe? So with the nerfed SS, you're only getting 1.7K damage mitigation for 800 MP. Even with Graniteskin returned to us, you're getting the effect of one Cure I with your SS, but at twice the MP cost.

There was no reason to nerf WHM's mitigation, especially with Adlo as extremely powerful as it is and Astro able to do instant-shields for more than WHM can Stoneskin for, which are absolutely, undeniably useful, given both jobs can cast SS as well.

[PennyBlossom]

Not sure if it was mentioned yet, since there are lots of pages to scroll through...but Stella as AST. Never used, not even once.

[Roxas_Andrade]

Not sure if it was mentioned yet, since there are lots of pages to scroll through...but Stella as AST. Never used, not even once.

Some people say it's a great skill on PVP. But I don't use it either...
IMO, Stella should be instant cast. It would make the skill awesome!

[Fernosaur]

Dispel takes forever. It's a short cast bar, but single casting every. Single. Person. in the group is a pain in the butt, especially in high Dmg situations. Sometimes you just don't have the time to do it before you have to get back to saving the Tank. Once I found out what Fey Caress did, I started resenting Sch's who don't use it and sat on their thumbs watching me frantically try to dispel everyone individually when they could have just as easily hit one button and been done with it.

The problem is when people are so spread out that even if you try and center Selene in the group to use Fey Caress, you only end up clearing the status effects of like, one person, because everyone else is super far away.

God I hate healing in Void Ark.

[Februs]

Before they nerfed WHM's Stoneskin, there were definitely times it was worth it, usually on tank busters. Sometimes you still use it that way. I also use it when people have vulnerability stacks and an AOE is coming. SE really dropped the ball with WHM and Stoneskin, though.

Totally agree with this.

Stone skin is still super useful for tank busters, because 10% of a Tanks health is nothing to shake a stick at. I'm always grateful to see an extra SS popped on me in anticipation of a heavenly heel or a Holy Blade Dance, because it saves me from having to use additional CDs or worry about taking the full hit. However, the nerf SE gave to stone skin was tremendously unjustified and ridiculous. A Pld's Divine Veil can actually be more useful than a Whn's stone skin on any target than other than War's, because divine veil scales 10% of the casting Pld's Hp, not the target's Hp. That's just not acceptable. It's still very useful, but I'll never understand why they decided to nerf it.

[Februs]

The problem is when people are so spread out that even if you try and center Selene in the group to use Fey Caress, you only end up clearing the status effects of like, one person, because everyone else is super far away.

God I hate healing in Void Ark.

It's not really a big an issue in controlled fights. In Extreme level Trials or 8-man Raids, there are several instances in which players group up. During Thor Ex, for example, almost everyone should be stacking in the middle after conviction towers go out, to kill the centre knight. Casters are the only possible exception. So, if Paralyze goes off cuz someone was a twat and missed a tower, there's really no reason for a Sch to miss anyone.

24-man raids, on the other hand, are awful. Pretty much any semblance of order or organization goes right out the window. It's pretty much the exception to any rule for any job in the entire game.

[Tremara]

Respose - I use this skill to do Dragonskin Maps (8 man) with a friend (WAR).
Cure III - awesome skill that - even situational - can save lifes without much effort.

I never use Stone I/II unless synced. Since healers have zero accurracy I miss Stone I much too often to slow in A3S reliable >.<

[Fernosaur]

It's not really a big an issue in controlled fights. In Extreme level Trials or 8-man Raids, there are several instances in which players group up. During Thor Ex, for example, almost everyone should be stacking in the middle after conviction towers go out, to kill the centre knight. Casters are the only possible exception. So, if Paralyze goes off cuz someone was a twat and missed a tower, there's really no reason for a Sch to miss anyone.

24-man raids, on the other hand, are awful. Pretty much any semblance of order or organization goes right out the window. It's pretty much the exception to any rule for any job in the entire game.

Ah yeah it's a really good spell in organized parties. I was mostly replying to your comment of SCHs not using it in Void Ark when there's heavy raidwide status ailments. I've found it to be such a great tool for the first fight in Void Ark, though, since the boss's AoEs force the whole raid to stack up together. Most of the times, a single Caress will heal the dropsies or paralyze people eat.

Cuchulainn on the other hand... -_-

[Ersahi]

I don't know why people are trying to defend stoneskin.

Out of every healing or mitigation tool in the game, it's hands down the worst when comparing effect, mp efficiency, and gcd use. It's the definition of "bottom feeder."

[Kacho_Nacho]

I want to say Repose. It's been useful for CCing ranged mobs while the rest of the party is dealing with melee but I wouldn't miss it if it was taken off my action bar.