Bulge size options for character creation.

[kikix12]

Not even when I was medically underweight at 41kgs was my butt ever as flat as our characters.

And that means...what exactly?! I'm sorry, but your body shape isn't the only one in the whole wide world. Body shape depends on several factors. Activity, diet, gender, age, race...and genes. That last part is the end all to all "It's unrealistic because it's not like me" arguments.

Or are you telling me that this photo is actually a drawing of our Hyur? What about this and this?! Realistic means "possible in nature", not "common in nature". A 2,7m high human is realistic...but there was only ever ONE such human in known history, so don't expect to ever meet one. In fact, the tenth highest is "only" 2,46m, so there's not much you will meet of anywhere near that...

It's like some woman saying that if she have small breasts even when overweight then it's unrealistic for a person to have large breasts, let alone slim one. And to see how wrong that is all you need to do is spend 10 minutes outside in a crowded place. Genes decide where fat is distributed and in what quantity. It happens very rarely, but in some cases, buttocks are very low on the priority list and won't receive any fat until the person will be outright obese. And you can talk about the characters being fit all you want, but the fact of the matter is that the other tissue on top of muscles and fat on the leg can form a flat butt even for a person with them pretty finely tuned. There are countless people with surprising strength where you wouldn't say they are anything like that, looking even a bit "fat". That's because humans anatomy is not a one-size-fits-them-all. There are myriads of possibilities thanks to a multitude of factors.

[Magic-Mal]

And that means...what exactly?! I'm sorry, but your body shape isn't the only one in the whole wide world. Body shape depends on several factors. Activity, diet, gender, age, race...and genes. That last part is the end all to all "It's unrealistic because it's not like me" arguments.

Or are you telling me that this photo is actually a drawing of our Hyur? What about this and this?! Realistic means "possible in nature", not "common in nature". A 2,7m high human is realistic...but there was only ever ONE such human in known history, so don't expect to ever meet one. In fact, the tenth highest is "only" 2,46m, so there's not much you will meet of anywhere near that...

It's like some woman saying that if she have small breasts even when overweight then it's unrealistic for a person to have large breasts, let alone slim one. And to see how wrong that is all you need to do is spend 10 minutes outside in a crowded place. Genes decide where fat is distributed and in what quantity. It happens very rarely, but in some cases, buttocks are very low on the priority list and won't receive any fat until the person will be outright obese. And you can talk about the characters being fit all you want, but the fact of the matter is that the other tissue on top of muscles and fat on the leg can form a flat butt even for a person with them pretty finely tuned. There are countless people with surprising strength where you wouldn't say they are anything like that, looking even a bit "fat". That's because humans anatomy is not a one-size-fits-them-all. There are myriads of possibilities thanks to a multitude of factors.

I think you're being a bit of a know-it-all and taking this way too seriously.

[HyoMinPark]

Am I "too serious"?! No. I am serious, but not "too" serious. The way you act and denies the fact that flat behinds can happen in reality, in a thread asking for bulges for the male characters to not all look like eunuchs because it makes the players uncomfortable, is rather rude to people that actually are in that position in a very real life, isn't it?! It is a fact. It happens in reality. For many reasons. Rarely, but often enough for there being guides on how to increase the bottoms size in a similar fashion to slimming diets.

I think you're being way too serious and way too emotional in a light-hearted thread that is about fake, pixel butts and fake, pixel bulges in a fake, pixel video game. Calm down, jeez.

I think you're being a bit of a know-it-all and taking this way too seriously.

Seconded this tbh.



Our butts are pancake butts.

I'm surprised my character doesn't slide right out of her chair when she sits. There's nothing there to hold her in the seat.

If it's "unrealistic" to expect a muscular, visibly present butt on a character who slays primals and liberated countries for a living... well, then I happily ask for an "unrealistic butt".

[NessaWyvern]

It happens very rarely, but in some cases, buttocks are very low on the priority list and won't receive any fat until the person will be outright obese.

Considering most of a woman's body fat is stored around the butt, hip and thighs, this is very unlikely (Our characters have pretty wide hips, meaning there should be some fat there, but when you move to the butt, there's nothing!). The second 2 pictures you provided actually have much narrower hips than our characters, and have a tiny bit more of a butt than some of the races in this game, including my Au Ra here.

The first picture? looks like they have very little muscle tone, or they used to be a heavier weight, and has a little bit of loose skin from weight loss. It's hard to tell without context, but it's pretty far from the norm.

And many of us FFXIV players want characters that fit more closely to the norm, and there's nothing wrong with that.

[kikix12]

Considering most of a woman's body fat is stored around the butt, hip and thighs, this is very unlikely(...)

This is what I've been on about. "Unlikely" is not the same as "impossible". It means that it does not happen often.

The first picture? looks like they have very little muscle tone, or they used to be a heavier weight, and has a little bit of loose skin from weight loss. It's hard to tell without context, but it's pretty far from the norm.

And that's the problem. "Norm" is not the same as "realistic". I am by no means against the default form showing a rounder bottom by any means. The last few posts here that I made were 100% about the choice of words. Vahlnir could have completely ended this part with "Yeah, I meant more average proportions.". Instead he and all of you try to turn it around and claim me being "too serious" or "wrong" defending his point when it is simply, factually, incorrect.

Am I "too serious"?! No. I am serious, but not "too" serious. The way you act and denies the fact that flat behinds can happen in reality, in a thread asking for bulges for the male characters to not all look like eunuchs because it makes the players uncomfortable, is rather rude to people that actually are in that position in a very real life, isn't it?! It is a fact. It happens in reality. For many reasons. Rarely, but often enough for there being guides on how to increase the bottoms size in a similar fashion to slimming diets.

And many of us FFXIV players want characters that fit more closely to the norm, and there's nothing wrong with that.

And that's what I said. The intent matters here. "Closer to the norm" is not a problem. "More realistic" is a problem. The first statement is simply dissatisfaction at a real state...because this is fiction and it can be changed easily. The latter is a denial of facts. A lie, an error, an offense to boot. But more importantly...a way, way overused word that is...significantly abused, misused.

[Hestzhyen]

Serious internet arguments about junk and butts.

I think you've made it super clear by now that you have no problem with the game's presentation of models... the thread was started as a joke or at least as a stab at humor, do we really have to start lambasting people who disagree with you?

I mean, it's about packages and rears. In a video game. Though it ties into the larger demand for more character customization options, at the end of the day this is a topic that wasn't started for someone like you to come in and start seriously debating whether or not it's necessary based on real-world examples and feelings. I appreciate your passion but can we all calm down a bit and just agree that in a perfect game we could have our ideal bumps in all the right places?

[kikix12]

I mean, it's about packages and rears.

Technically speaking, it's not about rears. The thread was finely derailed a while ago, before I even posted here.

(...)at the end of the day this is a topic that wasn't started for someone like you to come in and start seriously debating whether or not it's necessary based on real-world examples and feelings.

First, it was not for people to talk about behinds either. Second, I'm not debating whether or not it's necessary based on real world examples and feelings. Heck, it cannot even be called a "debate" when only one side responds to the arguments of the other, while that other side completely ignores everything else.

I think you've made it super clear by now that you have no problem with the game's presentation of models...

I appreciate your passion but can we all calm down a bit and just agree that in a perfect game we could have our ideal bumps in all the right places?

Can you PLEASE read what I wrote or not respond to me?! How many and in how different ways do I have to repeat this.
I am not talking about the graphics.
Let's write that again, because it's been missed three or four times by now.
I am NOT talking about the GRAPHICS.

Alright?!

So, what I am talking about?! I've already written that, but here it is again.

I am talking about the choice of words. About ENGLISH LANGUAGE. In particular, about a choice of word that is simply incorrect from a biological stand point.

Which says it all doesn't it? It's rare irl. But in Eorzea, for some reason the Calamity caused the entire planet to lose their asses.

Irrelevant. It would be relevant if I was against changing the default texture to a more typical, "existing" buttocks. I have several times now said that I am NOT against it. What I am against is connecting that change to a false reasoning. Consider this. If Thief A is charged with stealing 300 dollars from mister A while Thief B is charged with stealing 300 dollars from mister B, but in reality Thief A stole from mister B and Thief B stole from mister A, both thieves will receive "just punishment"...but it will still be a punishment for a different crime than the one they committed. They will be obliged to return money to the wrong person.

Seeming irrelevant, but world is not a void. Just like one of them may return money while the other will not and the one that will have issues will be the wrong person, a change done for the wrong reason feeds wrong cases. It will be a win for people advocating something fundamentally wrong which MAY, in the long run, lead to absurd changes in a completely different place.

I think you're being way too serious and way too emotional in a light-hearted thread that is about fake, pixel butts and fake, pixel bulges in a fake, pixel video game.

The video game is not fake, just digital. Not that it really matters, besides this being the same kind of problem of a misuse of a word.

That being said, I am serious not in relation to the video but to the posters. The case I am making in this thread relates to very real humans behind very real keyboards and monitors using very real words to share very real ideologies. If you took a moment and paid attention to what I've really been writing you'd notice that. Not necessarily agree with me (heck, yer average person would bring the "language is an evolving thing" argument against what I've been writing here which), but that's another thing entirely.

If it's "unrealistic" to expect a muscular, visibly present butt on a character who slays primals and liberated countries for a living... well, then I happily ask for an "unrealistic butt".

You completely reversed the case along with its mistake...Seriously?!

It is REALISTIC for someone to have flat butt AND it is REALISTIC for someone to have a finely curved butt...and it is realistic to have a butt that is the size of half the body (yes, I personally know a person like that).

I'm not defending flat butts in a video game. But I won't repeat the same thing yet again...

Apparently...

Hm...I'm pretty sure that the "fun" was the point of only several posts here. Unless I mistook something and people find it "fun" to complain about something that shouldn't even be a problem to begin with since this game should never lack the front and back shapes to begin with. But it does for whatever unfathomable reason the developers had to make such a choice.


All in all...seriously...Two pages and no virtually no one even actually did read a single thing from what I said...That's...disheartening.

[Dualgunner]

Irrelevant.

Then your whole response to me is irrelevant, as is this whole argument string.

[kikix12]

Then your whole response to me is irrelevant, as is this whole argument string.

Please, tell me, how your response having nothing to do with what I said...NOTHING...somehow affects how relevant or irrelevant everything else I posted is?!

Is this thread going to become irrelevant if I'll say that "Miqo'te are cats." which have zero to do with anything else whatsoever in here?!


...Well, whatever. I cannot expect anyone to go back and actually take time to reread my posts and try to understand granted them being rather lengthy. It's clear that at this point that the only responses I can expect are just going to refute anything I write without any reason or logic to it, just to disagree. Suit yourselves, believe what you will.

[HyoMinPark]

I am not talking about the graphics.
Let's write that again, because it's been missed three or four times by now.
I am NOT talking about the GRAPHICS.

Alright?!

So, what I am talking about?! I've already written that, but here it is again.

I am talking about the choice of words. About ENGLISH LANGUAGE. In particular, about a choice of word that is simply incorrect from a biological stand point.

The case I am making in this thread relates to very real humans behind very real keyboards and monitors using very real worlds to share very real ideologies. If you took a moment and paid attention to what I've really been writing you'd notice that. Not necessarily agree with me (heck, yer average person would bring the "language is an evolving thing" argument against what I've been writing here which), but that's another thing entirely.

So...what exactly are you arguing for? Semantics, the evolution of the English Language, or feelings?



This thread is supposed to be humorous. We’re talking about giving virtual characters butts. And bulges, or whatever. In a video game. Where we come to have fun. Kind of like how people were having fun in this thread. But I guess fun is banned.

You’re still being way too serious and too emotional. Step away from the keyboard and come back tomorrow when you’re calmer. And when you can stop abusing the “?!” punctuation marker.