Bulge size options for character creation.

[NessaWyvern]

There is that overused word again, "realistic". So you know...the proportions of every single player character made that is not Lalafell ARE realistic. The flat butts and lack of visible bulge make them very unlikely, but NOT unrealistic.

No, the butt's ARE unrealistic. Not even when I was medically underweight at 41kgs was my butt ever as flat as our characters. Especially if you consider how much adventurers run and jump, they should have muscle there atleast, and they don't.

And if you take into account the visible body fat in our characters face and breasts, the butts need to have a bit as well to match and be realistic.

[Vahlnir]

No, the butt's ARE unrealistic. Not even when I was medically underweight at 41kgs was my butt ever as flat as our characters. Especially if you consider how much adventurers run and jump, they should have muscle there atleast, and they don't.

And if you take into account the visible body fat in our characters face and breasts, the butts need to have a bit as well to match and be realistic.

Exactly. There's a reason people keep asking for a butt slider. This is it. As to the person who is seemingly against the idea, this once again comes down to sliders. People could keep their characters as is if they wish, or they could change it up. Again, more options is always better.

[Rhus]

No, the butt's ARE unrealistic. Not even when I was medically underweight at 41kgs was my butt ever as flat as our characters. Especially if you consider how much adventurers run and jump, they should have muscle there atleast, and they don't.

And if you take into account the visible body fat in our characters face and breasts, the butts need to have a bit as well to match and be realistic.

Preach!!!!

Also odd how you can have small breasts or large breasts but your rear is so flat it's basically concave. Doesn't even need to be a massive slider or even a slider at all, I'd be happy with 4 options like we get with many other parts of the body. They're potentially adding a whole new race but I can't have a bit of shape to my bum?

[kikix12]

Not even when I was medically underweight at 41kgs was my butt ever as flat as our characters.

And that means...what exactly?! I'm sorry, but your body shape isn't the only one in the whole wide world. Body shape depends on several factors. Activity, diet, gender, age, race...and genes. That last part is the end all to all "It's unrealistic because it's not like me" arguments.

Or are you telling me that this photo is actually a drawing of our Hyur? What about this and this?! Realistic means "possible in nature", not "common in nature". A 2,7m high human is realistic...but there was only ever ONE such human in known history, so don't expect to ever meet one. In fact, the tenth highest is "only" 2,46m, so there's not much you will meet of anywhere near that...

It's like some woman saying that if she have small breasts even when overweight then it's unrealistic for a person to have large breasts, let alone slim one. And to see how wrong that is all you need to do is spend 10 minutes outside in a crowded place. Genes decide where fat is distributed and in what quantity. It happens very rarely, but in some cases, buttocks are very low on the priority list and won't receive any fat until the person will be outright obese. And you can talk about the characters being fit all you want, but the fact of the matter is that the other tissue on top of muscles and fat on the leg can form a flat butt even for a person with them pretty finely tuned. There are countless people with surprising strength where you wouldn't say they are anything like that, looking even a bit "fat". That's because humans anatomy is not a one-size-fits-them-all. There are myriads of possibilities thanks to a multitude of factors.

[Magic-Mal]

And that means...what exactly?! I'm sorry, but your body shape isn't the only one in the whole wide world. Body shape depends on several factors. Activity, diet, gender, age, race...and genes. That last part is the end all to all "It's unrealistic because it's not like me" arguments.

Or are you telling me that this photo is actually a drawing of our Hyur? What about this and this?! Realistic means "possible in nature", not "common in nature". A 2,7m high human is realistic...but there was only ever ONE such human in known history, so don't expect to ever meet one. In fact, the tenth highest is "only" 2,46m, so there's not much you will meet of anywhere near that...

It's like some woman saying that if she have small breasts even when overweight then it's unrealistic for a person to have large breasts, let alone slim one. And to see how wrong that is all you need to do is spend 10 minutes outside in a crowded place. Genes decide where fat is distributed and in what quantity. It happens very rarely, but in some cases, buttocks are very low on the priority list and won't receive any fat until the person will be outright obese. And you can talk about the characters being fit all you want, but the fact of the matter is that the other tissue on top of muscles and fat on the leg can form a flat butt even for a person with them pretty finely tuned. There are countless people with surprising strength where you wouldn't say they are anything like that, looking even a bit "fat". That's because humans anatomy is not a one-size-fits-them-all. There are myriads of possibilities thanks to a multitude of factors.

I think you're being a bit of a know-it-all and taking this way too seriously.

[NessaWyvern]

It happens very rarely, but in some cases, buttocks are very low on the priority list and won't receive any fat until the person will be outright obese.

Considering most of a woman's body fat is stored around the butt, hip and thighs, this is very unlikely (Our characters have pretty wide hips, meaning there should be some fat there, but when you move to the butt, there's nothing!). The second 2 pictures you provided actually have much narrower hips than our characters, and have a tiny bit more of a butt than some of the races in this game, including my Au Ra here.

The first picture? looks like they have very little muscle tone, or they used to be a heavier weight, and has a little bit of loose skin from weight loss. It's hard to tell without context, but it's pretty far from the norm.

And many of us FFXIV players want characters that fit more closely to the norm, and there's nothing wrong with that.

[kikix12]

Considering most of a woman's body fat is stored around the butt, hip and thighs, this is very unlikely(...)

This is what I've been on about. "Unlikely" is not the same as "impossible". It means that it does not happen often.

The first picture? looks like they have very little muscle tone, or they used to be a heavier weight, and has a little bit of loose skin from weight loss. It's hard to tell without context, but it's pretty far from the norm.

And that's the problem. "Norm" is not the same as "realistic". I am by no means against the default form showing a rounder bottom by any means. The last few posts here that I made were 100% about the choice of words. Vahlnir could have completely ended this part with "Yeah, I meant more average proportions.". Instead he and all of you try to turn it around and claim me being "too serious" or "wrong" defending his point when it is simply, factually, incorrect.

Am I "too serious"?! No. I am serious, but not "too" serious. The way you act and denies the fact that flat behinds can happen in reality, in a thread asking for bulges for the male characters to not all look like eunuchs because it makes the players uncomfortable, is rather rude to people that actually are in that position in a very real life, isn't it?! It is a fact. It happens in reality. For many reasons. Rarely, but often enough for there being guides on how to increase the bottoms size in a similar fashion to slimming diets.

And many of us FFXIV players want characters that fit more closely to the norm, and there's nothing wrong with that.

And that's what I said. The intent matters here. "Closer to the norm" is not a problem. "More realistic" is a problem. The first statement is simply dissatisfaction at a real state...because this is fiction and it can be changed easily. The latter is a denial of facts. A lie, an error, an offense to boot. But more importantly...a way, way overused word that is...significantly abused, misused.

[Gokki]

Actually, this is one of the reasons i don't like playing male characters (im hetero male irl). They don't have a bulge or butt, it weirds me out that they don't have boy parts. It's the same for ladies i imagine when they create a lady character and they are totally flat on the front and back. I really want bulge and butt sliders to increase them, but japanese devs have this weird fixation of having all of that super flat and neutered.

Also of concern to me: tails and ears should tuck under the armor, a lot of animations are super lame (to put it mildly).

[Hestzhyen]

Serious internet arguments about junk and butts.

I think you've made it super clear by now that you have no problem with the game's presentation of models... the thread was started as a joke or at least as a stab at humor, do we really have to start lambasting people who disagree with you?

I mean, it's about packages and rears. In a video game. Though it ties into the larger demand for more character customization options, at the end of the day this is a topic that wasn't started for someone like you to come in and start seriously debating whether or not it's necessary based on real-world examples and feelings. I appreciate your passion but can we all calm down a bit and just agree that in a perfect game we could have our ideal bumps in all the right places?

[Dualgunner]

This is what I've been on about. "Unlikely" is not the same as "impossible". It means that it does not happen often.

Which says it all doesn't it? It's rare irl. But in Eorzea, for some reason the Calamity caused the entire planet to lose their asses.