Bulge size options for character creation.

[MsQi]

Yoshida stated the reason in the recent interview when they asked why we cant have weight sliders. They dont want to have to go back and adjust 2000+ pieces of equipment.

That is the same kind of thing every mmo dev team says. For years WoW devs said it was next to impossible to change the size of the backpack and later admitted that was a myth. If they want the game to last there will have to be some significant upgrades and adjustments they are going to have to do anyways.

I don't care about this particular issue as much as I notice there are always a plethora of topics where players request more customization. The butt issue I understand because it was a change. People get accustomed to how their characters look and when a change is forced upon them they feel slighted. If they just add a bulge to everyone they will have the same issue. Maybe a few options rather than a slider would be enough? My biggest issue with character customization in many games is the grouping of many features, especially facial features. So I support almost any customization in hopes that it results in a full overhaul.

[GoldenVoice]

It's funny that people are totally fine with exaggerated female breasts in games .. or exaggerated male chest muscles .... but people are bothered by exaggerated male junk.

/facepalm

Thank You. Exactly!

[Fredco191]

Yoshida stated the reason in the recent interview when they asked why we cant have weight sliders. They dont want to have to go back and adjust 2000+ pieces of equipment.

R.I.P. weight sliders (literally the only thing I wanted.)

[GoldenVoice]

You mean...they might actually have to upgrade and update the game to accommodate said updates? The HORROR. Welcome to the MMO scene, SE, where a game needs to be kept up to date.

I have to agree, but first let me say, a weight slider to what extent? I mean not to sound like a jerk but there's no such thing as an out of shape over weight pudgy hero who can do all the things the main character does, all the fighting training and adventuring and not be fit strong and healthy. So if you men weight as is a bunch of out of shape sprites running around its ridiculousness. Two You can not tell me with all the nickel and dimeing they do on mog station, of which we all pay for one reason or another, and the monthly payments of each player, to which there are millions of subscribers if their advertisements are to be believes, that they don't have the money to pay the programmers to of it and bodies that, there same amount of work goes int the updates and expansions when they add new content and change old. You cant tell me that at some point there isn't the opportunity to change the look, of the sprites during one of these major updates/expansions. It smacks of being cheap and lazy.

[Vahlnir]

I have to agree, but first let me say, a weight slider to what extent? I mean not to sound like a jerk but there's no such thing as an out of shape over weight pudgy hero who can do all the things the main character does, all the fighting training and adventuring and not be fit strong and healthy. So if you men weight as is a bunch of out of shape sprites running around its ridiculousness. Two You can not tell me with all the nickel and dimeing they do on mog station, of which we all pay for one reason or another, and the monthly payments of each player, to which there are millions of subscribers if their advertisements are to be believes, that they don't have the money to pay the programmers to of it and bodies that, there same amount of work goes int the updates and expansions when they add new content and change old. You cant tell me that at some point there isn't the opportunity to change the look, of the sprites during one of these major updates/expansions. It smacks of being cheap and lazy.

I don't think anyone's asking for anything too overkill, just something to give their characters reasonable, perhaps realistic proportions, like the infamous butt slider or muscle sliders for all races. Muscle sliders are basically just textures atm, so...maybe a slider overhaul could make them more pronounced and affect the character's appearance in a meanginful way. A hair length slider wouldn't be a bad idea either, imo. Better yet, they could give all races better proportions as a default and not have to worry about sliders. That, however, would upset people who are happy with things as they are currently. That leads us back to sliders. It would require some time and money, yeah, but a happy player base is a profitable one.

[GoldenVoice]

Well, they could easily create new equipment to give the illusion of a bulge...

They also mentioned something about an item that would glamour body hair on a character but we've yet to see anything along those lines.

We've had people asking for the option to have real eyebrows for male highlanders since the days of ARR. We've had people asking for more facial hair options.

We don't need excuses at this point - we need action. We're not even getting many masculine looking hairstyles these days either - the majority are designed to be very feminine or androgynous.

Well said! NO more excuses. they have the money and the man power, and i would think the skills. this is not a new thing. The face options is 4 on all races they limit the the facial features such as markings and face paint to one selection rather than allowing a mix of sever at once to make more unique looks. and the highlights are so dull and at times the colors just muddy and faded looking that they are visible to not depending on the look when in real life people who use colors are bold and bright. I play Au Ra but there are horn styles i like that i cant pick cause the face its attached to i dont like. why are the horns not separate as a feature to be chosen? With all the amazing detail that goes into the world and the texture and look of the races it seems to me short sighted, and in the case of the male bulges, unrealistic to omit and limit other details. we need bright color options for the hair, better hair styles for the men that are really masculine, more curves for the women more definition and gender specific attribute for the men and more range of personalization in creation for the races. With so many players on in the game there must be more options for individuality not just in the gear, which we have and is great, but in the physical detail. The Hyur are the only race that actually have adjustments to the definition of the musculature? why is that?

[GoldenVoice]

I don't think anyone's asking for anything too overkill, just something to give their characters reasonable, perhaps realistic proportions, like the infamous butt slider or muscle sliders for all races. Muscle sliders are basically just textures atm, so...maybe a slider overhaul could make them more pronounced and affect the character's appearance in a meanginful way. A hair length slider wouldn't be a bad idea either, imo. Better yet, they could give all races better proportions as a default and not have to worry about sliders. That, however, would upset people who are happy with things as they are currently. That leads us back to sliders. It would require some time and money, yeah, but a happy player base is a profitable one.

Exactly so, and the fact is that a happy player base will invite more friends and family. Some people find the larger creation options an incentive to playing games like this. cause many people tend to feel more drawn if they can adjust the sprites to lookas much like themselves as possible which is why most players will adjust the race skin color to be more like their own as well as hair texture. the more a persona can immerse themselves into a game the more drawn to and loyal they are to the game. Everyone has the fantasy of being hero in a fairy tale and this is one way we do that. to be in another world, as the hero, adventuring and fighting evil ect. But one more thing. CHANGE IS GOOD AND MAKES THINGS EXCITING! things that stay the same are BORING. thats why we have expansions. And its during those expansions that these changes can be made.

[kikix12]

(...)give their characters reasonable, perhaps realistic proportions(...)

There is that overused word again, "realistic". So you know...the proportions of every single player character made that is not Lalafell ARE realistic. The flat butts and lack of visible bulge make them very unlikely, but NOT unrealistic.

Something not being like the average Joe or Jane does not mean it's not realistic. The fact that most people in the world are not in good shape and/or health does not mean that the healthy, fit people are unrealistic. Almost every time there is someone asking for realistic representation in video games showing some sort of character as argument, there are people that actually understand the meaning of that word showing photos of actual, real people with those proportions. A very loud example was a poster girl for GTA game...that was MODELED AFTER A VERY REAL PERSON altogether. And some activists called her unrealistic and fattened her up claiming that is the solution to her "disproportions".

So...yeah. Ask for options to have variety?! Sure. No problem here. I don't care so long as the characters made will still look as reasonably fit people without absurd options possible. Even among very fit people there are differences with how prominent the muscles are, how much fat content they have or how slim they are.

But claim that the changes are to add realism...and sorry. You are simply wrong. Plainly and factually wrong.

Better yet, they could give all races better proportions as a default and not have to worry about sliders.

The only rare aspects of proportions for the characters that could be changed is some bulge (not necessarily big) and some butt (again, not necessarily big). Everything else is "realistic" (in quotation marks because, yes, Mi'quote do not exist, and neither do Elezen, Roegadyn etc...and Lalafells are out of whack on purpose), suitable for fit and active characters that spend their lives fighting gods and dragons and easy on the eyes. Which, yes, is of importance in a work of fiction. Fiction which have that to it that it can take a very small chance of someone being born extremely beautiful and flawlessly healthy and pass that trait on everyone.

[GoldenVoice]

Yoshida stated the reason in the recent interview when they asked why we cant have weight sliders. They dont want to have to go back and adjust 2000+ pieces of equipment.

After thinking on it i have to say even thats a cop out. The fact is they dont have to redesigns all the items they just have to introduce new items such as level 1 glamour gear and from now on when new items are made as the expansions go on make sure that the new items are made to have the effect we are talking about. IF they dont want to redesign the old gear fine but that doesnt mean they cant put the effect in the new gear. And as for our sprites well that can just be adjusted broadly and though Im not in favor of a slider, cause as its pointed out everyone will just max it out, if they placed a slider all they have to do is send everyone a single fantasia potion to remake. There is an easy way to do it they just dont want to. They had the for-site to sexualize the women and even add bouncing to the breasts but somehow giving guys their manhood wasn't even a passing thought.

[Vahlnir]

There is that overused word again, "realistic". So you know...the proportions of every single player character made that is not Lalafell ARE realistic. The flat butts and lack of visible bulge make them very unlikely, but NOT unrealistic.

Something not being like the average Joe or Jane does not mean it's not realistic. The fact that most people in the world are not in good shape and/or health does not mean that the healthy, fit people are unrealistic. Almost every time there is someone asking for realistic representation in video games showing some sort of character as argument, there are people that actually understand the meaning of that word showing photos of actual, real people with those proportions. A very loud example was a poster girl for GTA game...that was MODELED AFTER A VERY REAL PERSON altogether. And some activists called her unrealistic and fattened her up claiming that is the solution to her "disproportions".

So...yeah. Ask for options to have variety?! Sure. No problem here. I don't care so long as the characters made will still look as reasonably fit people without absurd options possible. Even among very fit people there are differences with how prominent the muscles are, how much fat content they have or how slim they are.

But claim that the changes are to add realism...and sorry. You are simply wrong. Plainly and factually wrong.

The only rare aspects of proportions for the characters that could be changed is some bulge (not necessarily big) and some butt (again, not necessarily big). Everything else is "realistic" (in quotation marks because, yes, Mi'quote do not exist, and neither do Elezen, Roegadyn etc...and Lalafells are out of whack on purpose), suitable for fit and active characters that spend their lives fighting gods and dragons and easy on the eyes. Which, yes, is of importance in a work of fiction. Fiction which have that to it that it can take a very small chance of someone being born extremely beautiful and flawlessly healthy and pass that trait on everyone.

I was giving room for interpretation as far as "realistic proportions" was concerned, seeing as that could mean something different for different people. That's the only reason I brought it up. As to the rest of my post I stand by what I said. I'm fine with how characters look currently, certain aspects aside which you yourself brought up, but more options is always better. And imo they are severely lacking when f2p games do things better.