Bulge size options for character creation.

[Vahlnir]

Yoshida stated the reason in the recent interview when they asked why we cant have weight sliders. They dont want to have to go back and adjust 2000+ pieces of equipment.

You mean...they might actually have to upgrade and update the game to accommodate said updates? The HORROR. Welcome to the MMO scene, SE, where a game needs to be kept up to date.

[GoldenVoice]

You mean...they might actually have to upgrade and update the game to accommodate said updates? The HORROR. Welcome to the MMO scene, SE, where a game needs to be kept up to date.

I have to agree, but first let me say, a weight slider to what extent? I mean not to sound like a jerk but there's no such thing as an out of shape over weight pudgy hero who can do all the things the main character does, all the fighting training and adventuring and not be fit strong and healthy. So if you men weight as is a bunch of out of shape sprites running around its ridiculousness. Two You can not tell me with all the nickel and dimeing they do on mog station, of which we all pay for one reason or another, and the monthly payments of each player, to which there are millions of subscribers if their advertisements are to be believes, that they don't have the money to pay the programmers to of it and bodies that, there same amount of work goes int the updates and expansions when they add new content and change old. You cant tell me that at some point there isn't the opportunity to change the look, of the sprites during one of these major updates/expansions. It smacks of being cheap and lazy.

[Vahlnir]

I have to agree, but first let me say, a weight slider to what extent? I mean not to sound like a jerk but there's no such thing as an out of shape over weight pudgy hero who can do all the things the main character does, all the fighting training and adventuring and not be fit strong and healthy. So if you men weight as is a bunch of out of shape sprites running around its ridiculousness. Two You can not tell me with all the nickel and dimeing they do on mog station, of which we all pay for one reason or another, and the monthly payments of each player, to which there are millions of subscribers if their advertisements are to be believes, that they don't have the money to pay the programmers to of it and bodies that, there same amount of work goes int the updates and expansions when they add new content and change old. You cant tell me that at some point there isn't the opportunity to change the look, of the sprites during one of these major updates/expansions. It smacks of being cheap and lazy.

I don't think anyone's asking for anything too overkill, just something to give their characters reasonable, perhaps realistic proportions, like the infamous butt slider or muscle sliders for all races. Muscle sliders are basically just textures atm, so...maybe a slider overhaul could make them more pronounced and affect the character's appearance in a meanginful way. A hair length slider wouldn't be a bad idea either, imo. Better yet, they could give all races better proportions as a default and not have to worry about sliders. That, however, would upset people who are happy with things as they are currently. That leads us back to sliders. It would require some time and money, yeah, but a happy player base is a profitable one.

[GoldenVoice]

I don't think anyone's asking for anything too overkill, just something to give their characters reasonable, perhaps realistic proportions, like the infamous butt slider or muscle sliders for all races. Muscle sliders are basically just textures atm, so...maybe a slider overhaul could make them more pronounced and affect the character's appearance in a meanginful way. A hair length slider wouldn't be a bad idea either, imo. Better yet, they could give all races better proportions as a default and not have to worry about sliders. That, however, would upset people who are happy with things as they are currently. That leads us back to sliders. It would require some time and money, yeah, but a happy player base is a profitable one.

Exactly so, and the fact is that a happy player base will invite more friends and family. Some people find the larger creation options an incentive to playing games like this. cause many people tend to feel more drawn if they can adjust the sprites to lookas much like themselves as possible which is why most players will adjust the race skin color to be more like their own as well as hair texture. the more a persona can immerse themselves into a game the more drawn to and loyal they are to the game. Everyone has the fantasy of being hero in a fairy tale and this is one way we do that. to be in another world, as the hero, adventuring and fighting evil ect. But one more thing. CHANGE IS GOOD AND MAKES THINGS EXCITING! things that stay the same are BORING. thats why we have expansions. And its during those expansions that these changes can be made.

[kikix12]

(...)give their characters reasonable, perhaps realistic proportions(...)

There is that overused word again, "realistic". So you know...the proportions of every single player character made that is not Lalafell ARE realistic. The flat butts and lack of visible bulge make them very unlikely, but NOT unrealistic.

Something not being like the average Joe or Jane does not mean it's not realistic. The fact that most people in the world are not in good shape and/or health does not mean that the healthy, fit people are unrealistic. Almost every time there is someone asking for realistic representation in video games showing some sort of character as argument, there are people that actually understand the meaning of that word showing photos of actual, real people with those proportions. A very loud example was a poster girl for GTA game...that was MODELED AFTER A VERY REAL PERSON altogether. And some activists called her unrealistic and fattened her up claiming that is the solution to her "disproportions".

So...yeah. Ask for options to have variety?! Sure. No problem here. I don't care so long as the characters made will still look as reasonably fit people without absurd options possible. Even among very fit people there are differences with how prominent the muscles are, how much fat content they have or how slim they are.

But claim that the changes are to add realism...and sorry. You are simply wrong. Plainly and factually wrong.

Better yet, they could give all races better proportions as a default and not have to worry about sliders.

The only rare aspects of proportions for the characters that could be changed is some bulge (not necessarily big) and some butt (again, not necessarily big). Everything else is "realistic" (in quotation marks because, yes, Mi'quote do not exist, and neither do Elezen, Roegadyn etc...and Lalafells are out of whack on purpose), suitable for fit and active characters that spend their lives fighting gods and dragons and easy on the eyes. Which, yes, is of importance in a work of fiction. Fiction which have that to it that it can take a very small chance of someone being born extremely beautiful and flawlessly healthy and pass that trait on everyone.

[Vahlnir]

There is that overused word again, "realistic". So you know...the proportions of every single player character made that is not Lalafell ARE realistic. The flat butts and lack of visible bulge make them very unlikely, but NOT unrealistic.

Something not being like the average Joe or Jane does not mean it's not realistic. The fact that most people in the world are not in good shape and/or health does not mean that the healthy, fit people are unrealistic. Almost every time there is someone asking for realistic representation in video games showing some sort of character as argument, there are people that actually understand the meaning of that word showing photos of actual, real people with those proportions. A very loud example was a poster girl for GTA game...that was MODELED AFTER A VERY REAL PERSON altogether. And some activists called her unrealistic and fattened her up claiming that is the solution to her "disproportions".

So...yeah. Ask for options to have variety?! Sure. No problem here. I don't care so long as the characters made will still look as reasonably fit people without absurd options possible. Even among very fit people there are differences with how prominent the muscles are, how much fat content they have or how slim they are.

But claim that the changes are to add realism...and sorry. You are simply wrong. Plainly and factually wrong.

The only rare aspects of proportions for the characters that could be changed is some bulge (not necessarily big) and some butt (again, not necessarily big). Everything else is "realistic" (in quotation marks because, yes, Mi'quote do not exist, and neither do Elezen, Roegadyn etc...and Lalafells are out of whack on purpose), suitable for fit and active characters that spend their lives fighting gods and dragons and easy on the eyes. Which, yes, is of importance in a work of fiction. Fiction which have that to it that it can take a very small chance of someone being born extremely beautiful and flawlessly healthy and pass that trait on everyone.

I was giving room for interpretation as far as "realistic proportions" was concerned, seeing as that could mean something different for different people. That's the only reason I brought it up. As to the rest of my post I stand by what I said. I'm fine with how characters look currently, certain aspects aside which you yourself brought up, but more options is always better. And imo they are severely lacking when f2p games do things better.

[NessaWyvern]

There is that overused word again, "realistic". So you know...the proportions of every single player character made that is not Lalafell ARE realistic. The flat butts and lack of visible bulge make them very unlikely, but NOT unrealistic.

No, the butt's ARE unrealistic. Not even when I was medically underweight at 41kgs was my butt ever as flat as our characters. Especially if you consider how much adventurers run and jump, they should have muscle there atleast, and they don't.

And if you take into account the visible body fat in our characters face and breasts, the butts need to have a bit as well to match and be realistic.

[Vahlnir]

No, the butt's ARE unrealistic. Not even when I was medically underweight at 41kgs was my butt ever as flat as our characters. Especially if you consider how much adventurers run and jump, they should have muscle there atleast, and they don't.

And if you take into account the visible body fat in our characters face and breasts, the butts need to have a bit as well to match and be realistic.

Exactly. There's a reason people keep asking for a butt slider. This is it. As to the person who is seemingly against the idea, this once again comes down to sliders. People could keep their characters as is if they wish, or they could change it up. Again, more options is always better.

[Rhus]

No, the butt's ARE unrealistic. Not even when I was medically underweight at 41kgs was my butt ever as flat as our characters. Especially if you consider how much adventurers run and jump, they should have muscle there atleast, and they don't.

And if you take into account the visible body fat in our characters face and breasts, the butts need to have a bit as well to match and be realistic.

Preach!!!!

Also odd how you can have small breasts or large breasts but your rear is so flat it's basically concave. Doesn't even need to be a massive slider or even a slider at all, I'd be happy with 4 options like we get with many other parts of the body. They're potentially adding a whole new race but I can't have a bit of shape to my bum?

[kikix12]

Not even when I was medically underweight at 41kgs was my butt ever as flat as our characters.

And that means...what exactly?! I'm sorry, but your body shape isn't the only one in the whole wide world. Body shape depends on several factors. Activity, diet, gender, age, race...and genes. That last part is the end all to all "It's unrealistic because it's not like me" arguments.

Or are you telling me that this photo is actually a drawing of our Hyur? What about this and this?! Realistic means "possible in nature", not "common in nature". A 2,7m high human is realistic...but there was only ever ONE such human in known history, so don't expect to ever meet one. In fact, the tenth highest is "only" 2,46m, so there's not much you will meet of anywhere near that...

It's like some woman saying that if she have small breasts even when overweight then it's unrealistic for a person to have large breasts, let alone slim one. And to see how wrong that is all you need to do is spend 10 minutes outside in a crowded place. Genes decide where fat is distributed and in what quantity. It happens very rarely, but in some cases, buttocks are very low on the priority list and won't receive any fat until the person will be outright obese. And you can talk about the characters being fit all you want, but the fact of the matter is that the other tissue on top of muscles and fat on the leg can form a flat butt even for a person with them pretty finely tuned. There are countless people with surprising strength where you wouldn't say they are anything like that, looking even a bit "fat". That's because humans anatomy is not a one-size-fits-them-all. There are myriads of possibilities thanks to a multitude of factors.