Bulge size options for character creation.

[YISUG]

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+1 to this post and i could say the same thing about any requests that are of this kind

[Vexander]

I know I'm gonna get a lot of hate for this, but whatever, dont care.

So what would you suggest as a male-exclusive appearance slider? You went into depth to discuss why you think a Bulge Slider isn't a good addition, and you even made some good points against it. What would your alternative be?

[Faliandra]

So what would you suggest as a male-exclusive appearance slider? You went into depth to discuss why you think a Bulge Slider isn't a good addition, and you even made some good points against it. What would your alternative be?

well, first of all, I havent ever compared male and female character creation of the same race. Do they not both have the same amount of possible customizations?
If indeed the female character creation has, for example, 13 different customizable options (e.g. eye color, hair style, breast slider) vs the male character creation only having 12 (everything but the breast slider), then I do agree that there should be an equivalent so both genders end up with the same amount of possible customization. If thats not the case, the discussion is already redundant to me.

But if it is and you're asking me to come up with some suggestions, this is what I thought of fairly quickly:

- some sort of slider to tone your muscles (kind of like highlanders already have)
or maybe,instead of doing it like the highlander one, make it so that the slider will give you the option to have either more slender or more musculous arms and legs

- slider to widen/broaden your shoulders (<-- this I would also love as an option for female elezen as IMO their head/shoulder ratio is completely off)

Basically, sliders to alter your character's physique.


It's not that easy to come up with alternatives as I am not male and do not play male characters, so making suggestions on my behalf may seem half-assed, hence why I mainly added to the discussion by saying what I do NOT want (because that, I do know).

[ErryK]

You're calling this an "equal" option for males because females have BREAST sliders? Well, I'm sorry but breasts ARE a MAJOR aesthetic shape feature of women and theres just such a huge range in size

But what about males? They have genitalia in a range of sizes, on top of that, they're a major aesthetic of what a man's crotch looks like, smh acting as if we're Ken dolls. :/

Due to the nature of things, it would also draw in a lot more trolls maxing out their bulges and harass female players and the likes.

That's what a report feature is used for. Not saying it's ok to harass people with this, but to say "Oh, bulges are the reason people will harass female players"... ok so I have a penis, I automatically harass women.

I sure hope SQEX wont listen to incredibly stupid ideas like this and actually invests their development time in a more meaningful/useful way.

But emotes exclusively for couples and fairy glamour aren't as useless or stupid? Smells like double standards to me.

[Ririta]

But what about males? They have genitalia in a range of sizes, on top of that, they're a major aesthetic of what a man's crotch looks like, smh acting as if we're Ken dolls. :/


That's what a report feature is used for. Not saying it's ok to harass people with this, but to say "Oh, bulges are the reason people will harass female players"... ok so I have a penis, I automatically harass women.


But emotes exclusively for couples and fairy glamour aren't as useless or stupid? Smells like double standards to me.

Another double standard is how little they protest against sexualizing girls... as if men shouldn't be allowed to be sexy in public

[Faliandra]

But emotes exclusively for couples and fairy glamour aren't as useless or stupid? Smells like double standards to me.

Eh, you're trying really hard. But I found Egi glamours to be really useless as well. My SMN hasnt even unlocked Carbuncle glamours and tbh, I dont really care if SCH gets fairy-glamours or not.
But if they do something nice with it that I could end up liking, then I'm not opposed to it. Same goes for the couple emotes. Its a nice to have, but you dont see me there arguing why this is an absolute necessity, do you`?

Secondly, IF they were to implement such features, everyone could make use of it if they wanted to, no matter the gender.
But here we are talking about "QQ I dont feel manly cos my character has no visible bulge, its so unfair that females have a breast slider!!!1111oneone".

Still amazed you dont see how hilarious this discussion is

[ErryK]

Eh, you're trying really hard. But I found Egi glamours to be really useless as well. My SMN hasnt even unlocked Carbuncle glamours and tbh, I dont really care if SCH gets fairy-glamours or not.
But if they do something nice with it that I could end up liking, then I'm not opposed to it. Same goes for the couple emotes. Its a nice to have, but you dont see me there arguing why this is an absolute necessity, do you`?

You don't really care about SCH glamours, but you'll be the first person to come into a thread to complain about people asking for a small increase to a mesh where their crotch is. If that is something that affects you, pixelated penises, then you need a reality check, honey.

Secondly, IF they were to implement such features, everyone could make use of it if they wanted to, no matter the gender.
But here we are talking about "QQ I dont feel manly cos my character has no visible bulge, its so unfair that females have a breast slider!!!1111oneone".

Everyone could make use of the breast slider, no matter the gender, but here we are complaining about pixel penises as if it will affect your life quality. If it really didn't matter, you'd roll your eyes and get on with your life.

Still amazed you dont see how hilarious this discussion is

I'm amazed that misandry is a positive thing for you.

[Magic-Mal]

Pixels

Why not let everyone run around naked, jiggle effects and all then? Since they are only pixels after all right?

I hope you're realizing why your pixel argument is silly.

Pixels put together create images that can offend people or be inappropriate for a game. That's what ratings are for. Pixels have weight. Yoshi already had to think hard on whether or not he could allow players to smoke or drink.

Whether you want to believe it or not, a visually big penis is a sexual theme in media. Sorry it's how it is. For women, big bust, big butt? Sexual theme in media. It's how it is. Don't act like it doesn't exist.

Allowing players to have a big bulge so you can see it outlined in your underwear or pants is a sexual theme.

If you paint an image of something offensive/inappropriate you can't say "Lol chill it's just paint". No doesn't work like that. The paint created an image that has a meaning. Same goes for pixels.

EDIT: Also Faliandra had a good point with how you bash her about taking pixels seriously. But look at you.

[Fernosaur]

I'm amazed that misandry is a positive thing for you.

I don't necessarily agree with Faliandra, because I think her argument about dismissing someone's "glamour wants" as obsolete is flawed logic, but there is a big misunderstanding here, which makes your own argument flawed logic in itself.

A man's bulge and penis size is not the same as a woman's breast size. The reason for this is that breasts are not reproductive or sexual organs, unlike a penis. The fact that breasts are sexualized by society at large is a whole different issue, and it's a discussion that is much denser than the one going on in this thread. I'm not going to deny there's a bit of a double-standard going on in the game with the topic of nipples and bare chests when it comes to males and females, but this is hardly the developers' fault, as they also have age ratings to consider.

You do have to consider, though, that a female's breasts actually do affect a large percent of the clothes they wear, save for plate and heavy armors, so in a way the breast slider is understandable. If anything, I think a comparable to a female's breast size in men would be the size of their musculature, since muscles are largely sexualized in males despite them not having any form of sexual connotation. It's actually somewhat strange to me that there isn't a muscle slider for all races. I guess I can understand Lalafells? But the rest kind of eludes me. In the end, though, even Hyurs can only change the definition and toning of their muscles and not so much their size, so...

[Lauront]

It's basically a case of "I can't understand why anyone likes things different to what I do", tbh.