Strength Tanks

[Galibier]

Have a question... Not as to what is better (I gave my opinion on that) rather I have just been thinking "why the different methodology" that leads to the straight up Str>Vit debate.

Every other MMORPG I have ever played had tanks looking at three things, usually in this order...
eHP (effective hitpoints)=aggro managment
Utility
DPS.

For those that may not have heard eHP (maybe mentioned earlier but a lot of pages here) before it is basically adding up you HP pool and static mitigation, here defense, (no avoidance or CDs) to figure out how much damage you are guaranteed to survive. I really haven't seen this addressed number wise and as a numbers driven kinda guy am curious how/when you know/prove you have the adequate eHP?

[kensatsu]

In 2.0 everyone rolled strength/vit gear.

yes ! it's just now it tend to be more forced in 3.0
but everyone act like it's new

[Immut]

For those that may not have heard eHP (maybe mentioned earlier but a lot of pages here) before it is basically adding up you HP pool and static mitigation, here defense, (no avoidance or CDs) to figure out how much damage you are guaranteed to survive. I really haven't seen this addressed number wise and as a numbers driven kinda guy am curious how/when you know/prove you have the adequate eHP?

if you don't die in one hit, you have enough hp. healers are ridiculously strong in this game compared to others. you'll be at full hp from nothing in less than two gcds.

[Whiteroom]

if you don't die in one hit, you have enough hp. healers are ridiculously strong in this game compared to others. you'll be at full hp from nothing in less than two gcds.

Really you shoud be counting one hit and at least the auto attack that follows. Admittedly, I like to pad it a bit more since I'm not a static raider and mostly run DF, so you never know the quality of the healer you will get.

[Galibier]

if you don't die in one hit, you have enough hp. healers are ridiculously strong in this game compared to others. you'll be at full hp from nothing in less than two gcds.

Yes but I am one of those guys who HATES Zen like that. If things go south I like being able to later see, with some objectivity, was it my gear/stats? Did I flub the rotation? Was it the healer or was it just the rng goddess kicking me in the nuts? I have never been one of those people to say "if you don't get one shot...if the tank doesn't die... If the mob dies.." When it comes to my own performance. I don't hold other people to that same rule (at least out loud lol) but yeah... Hard to kill the min/max mindset. Heck back in EQ2 I once did a month of raids. 1/2 wearing one hat and 1/2 wearing another because one had better stats but the other a more powerful proc to figure out which hat was the most effective.

[Alistaire]

In 2.0 everyone rolled strength/vit gear.

In 2.0 it was especially good because the accessories were easier to cap both, I think you had room for 3 more slots after adding VIT, and had DEX too which affected parry at the time, which was a small boost but overall every aspect of the 2.0 hybrid accessories were the best.

[AI_wass]

Yes but I am one of those guys who HATES Zen like that. If things go south I like being able to later see, with some objectivity, was it my gear/stats? Did I flub the rotation? Was it the healer or was it just the rng goddess kicking me in the nuts? I have never been one of those people to say "if you don't get one shot...if the tank doesn't die... If the mob dies.." When it comes to my own performance.

That's well and fine, but content and class mechanics are structured very differently between EQ2 and FFXIV. For tank survivability, there is a fairly clear minimum HP threshold that needs to be met, and that is right around 16000-16500. Every tankbuster and following autoattack is survivable once you hit that threshold, assuming your healers are on point. After that threshold has been achieved, if you're looking to min/max there is no other way to build other than to optimize damage. There are no item procs, fights are very scripted and methodical. All that remains is to push damage and phases, and comfort be damned.

[Nektulos-Tuor]

yes ! it's just now it tend to be more forced in 3.0
but everyone act like it's new

Not really. People just use strength gear.

People who are rich use Vit+Str Jewelry.

[Galibier]

That's well and fine, but content and class mechanics are structured very differently between EQ2 and FFXIV. For tank survivability, there is a fairly clear minimum HP threshold that needs to be met, and that is right around 16000-16500. /snip.

Oh I know some of the mechanics are different. I just used procs as an example as to how nutty I can get with numbers lol. That 16000-16.5 is a good starting point for me to work with though, so thanks .
Tbh I just find the number crunching fun.

On a side note it will be interesting to see how much, if at all, this debate changes with 3.2.

[Morzy]

You know. I use to be a WHM, it was my first job and i was terrible at it. But if there was one thing i hated about WARs was that they used VIT accessories. Why? Because a WAR gains back hp through attacking mobs with Bloodbath and you better believe STR accessories are gonna help more than VIT cus unlike those VIT WARs the STR actually take advantage of Bloodbath and despite what you think they made my job easier and healed themselves. But are you excluding WAR? Nope