Strength Tanks

[Hayward]

The day I consistently DF into parties where both DDs combined aren't doing less damage than I am, is the day I'll put away my STR accessories.

I want video evidence from these people who belch out this talking point. I don't buy this line for a second.

[Jamillion]

I want video evidence from these people who belch out this talking point. I don't buy this line for a second.

I don't know, I ran a brayflox hm yesterday where the tank checked to make sure a big pull was okay since we had a blm (me) and a bard. I was doing 74% of the DPS (no foes being played, despite my request) the bard didn't use a single aoe and we wiped on the pull. Some people just don't know the basics of their job.

[Freyyy]

I want video evidence from these people who belch out this talking point. I don't buy this line for a second.

When you see bad DPS players doing 500 DPS or less (which is lower than what good DPS did at 50) in expert roulettes, which happens pretty often, you understand that doing over 1000 DPS as a tank really makes the difference. I'm not even exaggerating the numbers.

[Atoli]

I want video evidence from these people who belch out this talking point. I don't buy this line for a second.

I once had a run where as the healer I did 51% of the DMG. Most of the rest was done by the tank.
The MNK we had only used auto-attack and rarely a skill (because he said that's what he is used to from other MMOs) and the BLM only used Fire I/Lightning I and Transpose. In a lvl 60 dungeon.
So yeah, I can totally understand tanks who don't want to leave it to the random dps they meet in df to actually deal dmg

[Whiston]

I once had a run where as the healer I did 51% of the DMG. Most of the rest was done by the tank.
The MNK we had only used auto-attack and rarely a skill (because he said that's what he is used to from other MMOs) and the BLM only used Fire I/Lightning I and Transpose. In a lvl 60 dungeon.
So yeah, I can totally understand tanks who don't want to leave it to the random dps they meet in df to actually deal dmg

Sadly, I find this isn't an entirely uncommon scenario.

Even more sadly, these kinds of DPS exist in the tank and healer roles also, and lobby feverishly against tank and healer DPS, trying to box their classes into minimal responsibilities.
Could you even imagine how painstakingly long that run would have been if cleric's stance and reasonable tank damage didn't exist? I shudder at the thought.

[Kaurie]

I want video evidence from these people who belch out this talking point. I don't buy this line for a second.

I did an Alex NM run where the top DPS was our MT Dark Knight by a margin of about 300 more DPS than the top damage dealer (I was on WHM and doing 5th most DPS).

[Ashkendor]

I want video evidence from these people who belch out this talking point. I don't buy this line for a second.

I don't have a video but I could probably dig up some parses if I went looking.

It's sad how many DPS can't even DPS.

[Odett]

I don't have a video but I could probably dig up some parses if I went looking.

It's sad how many DPS can't even DPS.

That's so true. My friend recently got a parser and we run a lot of content together and honestly the best phrase to describe it is "what has seen cannot be unseen" because the majority of DPS coming from DPS roles is extremely low and it's mostly been the norm rather than the exception. You'd honestly (@Hayward) be extremely surprised at the low amount of DPS that most DPS players are puling.

[fm_fenrir]

You'd honestly (@Hayward) be extremely surprised at the low amount of DPS that most DPS players are puling.

Anecdotal evidence isn't evidence, but I was putting down double the DPS of my two redbox players as a PLD last night. The healer also complained that I didn't have 20k HP from VIT accessories, so I was "too hard to heal". In his defense, he probably didn't notice I went SwO after the first Halone rotation...

[Ashkendor]

That's so true. My friend recently got a parser and we run a lot of content together and honestly the best phrase to describe it is "what has seen cannot be unseen" because the majority of DPS coming from DPS roles is extremely low and it's mostly been the norm rather than the exception. You'd honestly (@Hayward) be extremely surprised at the low amount of DPS that most DPS players are puling.

I ran into a Ninja last night that did 160 less DPS than my Scholar on Faust.

Seriously, what was he doing? x_x