Strength Tanks

[VanilleFang]

As a healer I don't think a smaller HP pool really means anything for a tank. Well, with in reason obviously. If the difference in HP is like.. 16k to 20k then I don't see the issue. If the tank is doing his/her job properly and I am stance dancing like I should be then it'll be okie dokie. Also faster clears are always a plus.

[CookieMonsta]

Please stop, there is no sane reason why a tank should slot points into strength instead of vitality. You having less or the same hp as a dps is not an effective tank build because a dead tank does zero dps.

It is not a healers responsibility to spend an insane amount of time and mana keeping you alive when you choose not to talent properly, it's like healing a dps that thinks he is a tank.

In conclusion is you want to play a dps class then roll one otherwise learn to play as the role you selected which means you are there to take damage not cause massive damage to mobs and die in the process.

Wao, some people want to see the world burn. This has been discussed to death already, go do Alex Savage then come back and tell us what you think (hint hint, A3S GL keeping aggro off a WHM without STR).

[Rufalus]

We aren't sure just yet how patch 3.2 will adjust the formula for tank damage, so the op might be right a couple months from now. The way things are now, stacking a lot of Str and Vit is best so melded accessories with both was ideal in 2.x series, that's why they have delayed releasing higher item level crafted accessories until they make adjustments.

[Februs]

We aren't sure just yet how patch 3.2 will adjust the formula for tank damage, so the op might be right a couple months from now. The way things are now, stacking a lot of Str and Vit is best so melded accessories with both was ideal in 2.x series, that's why they have delayed releasing higher item level crafted accessories until they make adjustments.

That's a fair point, but to be honest, I don't think we're going to see too dramatic of a change to stat allocation. for one, there would be a problem to retroactively applying stat changes to previous encounters. SE still has to work with the old content of the game. They can't go changing things willy-nilly without considering what it might do to previous encounters or old meta. It's not like they can somehow divorce Str from Crit and Det (especially Det), and guess what's on most of that old gear.

They also can't do anything that would risk making Tanks too under/over powered for the end-game raids. Lower Str scaling for tanks? Good luck with those Dps checks. Balance Tank Dps scaling with a mix of Vit/Str? Sure, but that's not really going to change anything for Tanks who already prioritize Str. They didn't say they're changing the Vit-Hp ratio at all, so additional Hp is irrelevant to Progression groups that can already clear with full Str. So the only real question would be how would the Str/Vit scaling stack up to traditional Str/Det. To make tanks use the Vit gear, it would at least have to be equal to the benefits they'd see out of a Str set... which would mean that it would really make no difference at all. You could go full Str or full Vit and get the same benefit, maybe more since you'd have additional Vitality that you don't even really need... That doesn't sound very balanced.

You also got to remember that the whole reason they said they were doing this was because Melded accessories were often better than the ones dropped in Savage. They only want to make Savage accessories relevant for progression groups and avoid putting undue burdens on a single class for progressing (Ie: Tanks should not have to spend Millions upon Millions of gill on Materia just to do end-game raids while healers and Dps get away with using dropped accessories). I don' think they're going to make such dramatic changes just to see this happen. I could be wrong, though. It's all speculation at this point.

[Bashum]

Wow, this sure has a lot of replies in a short period of time. Objective achieved I guess.

In short: Full STR is fine, once you have the necessary defense and VIT to survive any major tank busters with a decent buffer. Any VIT above that is basically a wasted stat.

If you run into STR tanks that are dying that easily, it's typically because of failure to use cooldowns appropriately.

[Sapphidia]

Always hard to know how to respond to such trollbait threads.

The original post is ignorant, uninformed, 100% incorrect and bears no regard for any kind of nuance of gearing. The original -poster- is either a horrendous player that has no understanding of the way stats work in the game, or is an obvious troll trying to create a 400 page rant at which other trolls provoke the more experienced tanks who try to help.

The problem is when new players go to the tank forum and see a thread like this at the top of the page, and thus see this ranting post and assume that it's correct. It's on a forum, it's got lots of replies, it has to be correct surely. Unfortunately the only way to correct the post is to reply to the thread... which keeps the circle going. Same thing happens regularly in Balmung /shout in Idyllshire where certain uninformed tank trolls try to convince the playerbase that full vit is the only way to go and you're a failure if you even think about turning on sword oath.

Balancing a desire to not fan trollish flames vs a real desire to HELP the community and make newer tanks better at their job is not an easy task when people like OP post threads like this.

[Grant_Wilshire]

The problem is when new players go to the tank forum and see a thread like this at the top of the page, and thus see this ranting post and assume that it's correct. It's on a forum, it's got lots of replies, it has to be correct surely. Unfortunately the only way to correct the post is to reply to the thread... which keeps the circle going. Same thing happens regularly in Balmung /shout in Idyllshire where certain uninformed tank trolls try to convince the playerbase that full vit is the only way to go and you're a failure if you even think about turning on sword oath.

Balancing a desire to not fan trollish flames vs a real desire to HELP the community and make newer tanks better at their job is not an easy task when people like OP post threads like this.

All of these rant threads about Tanks really makes me scared of what I have signed on for.

[Malicewolf]

All of these rant threads about Tanks really makes me scared of what I have signed on for.

Don't worry little one. You'll be fine, just keep learning Most will be helpful to you, a few will be obnoxious. Just be sure not to confuse someone giving advice as them being condescending (sometimes they are, but most of the time they are just honestly trying to help you improve).

As for those who are saying what's the big deal about optimization, its simple. People don't like wasting their time. Now, why they say these things in regular dungeons or even hard trials, I don't see the point either. But in extreme trials and raids, I can understand a bit. They usually waited a while for queue times and they most likely don't want to sit through the same content for 3+ hours waiting for a good team because people keep failing due to not being able to meet DPS checks. Now, understanding mechanics will always be more optimal than anyone who doesn't know what their doing. For instance, knowing HOW to do RavanaEx as a minimum ilvl will be much better than someone full eso geared without a clue. Some people obviously take things too far into the extreme though.

[kensatsu]

wait just one month and wait the stat change, seriously i never say to somebody he have to gear vit or str.
i can't understand why players expect every tanks to be geared in str, also everyone don't use tank as main job. so just do as you wish (i said this many times XD)

[mdha02]

How much does 1 VIT=to HP?