Strength Tanks

[fm_fenrir]

At the same time, most PF groups (DF as well) wonder why it is taking them so long to get a tank. Basically, outside of Alexander Savage, I should not be pointed at if the mob(s) die slow when I'm on my PLD.

PF groups have trouble getting tanks because their demands are usually unrealistic. Anybody with multiple clears or experience to the final phase of whatever fight the PF is for most likely already has a static.

Anyway, stacking VIT when it doesn't directly benefit your damage is just making your life harder, because all your DPS are stacking their main damage stat and won't hesitate to pop hot deeps on you. You can suffer through lower enmity generation on a VIT stacked PLD, but why would you when you could be enjoying a greater threat buffer from higher damage output and the option of dropping ShO?

[Valkyrie-Amber]

STR is best stat not only cause of dps but also for the key role of the tank in general to hold hate.

Many tanks fail to understand more STR = more effective flash enmity too and the only tank that needs to flash really is pld for obvious reasons.

Additionally cause plds str modifier lacks the same enmity potential as DRK or WAR they should gear more STR than VIT gears after all you have a shield and block beats parry unless wars in tank stance...

[kensatsu]

That's right STR = more dps+ more aggro + more selfheal. you should heal more by using blood bath and clemency.
if you wish to use STR accesories it just mean you will have less vita offcourse.
what a pld can do to take less damage as possible, if you are not already doing it, you make shieldtron just before every cleave as possible in a fight.
sit less on CD, you must know when you can throwing CD to be more easy to heal, or when you need to keep absolutely for tank busters.
This is how it work.
This is logic, many tank do it for savage but also for everything. Because the str tank need to have some training to get better with CD rotations and be as tanky as possible with str accesories. But it's absolutely not needed and not a requierment.
And Tank is not bad because them is wearing Vita or Str, it's requiered on Savage that's all

[Valkyrie-Amber]

All supposable PLD tanks need to read my troll thread against vit tanks. Yep troll thread cause the PLD's I am targeting do mass pulls but fail to tank do their job. War and Drk don't have this issue.

I am sick of PLD's saying don't aoe on a mass pull they do. like how else should you deal with a pull 20+ single target like the pld wants? Then pull one small group at a time....

No other tanks seem to have problems holding hate like the PLD does and yet plds and all other tanks refuse to speak up as it secures the Drk mt War ot position the two tank slots need in a 8 person group.

[kensatsu]

fight on flight/bloodbath/scorn/flash/flash/flash/flash it's not so hard, but that's where how strengh can help a pld failling to hold aggro.
because PLD don't have the same aggro than war and dark. i don't think stacking vita is an issue for a PLD if them is very good. but if there an issue, wear 1 ou 2 str accesories would maybe help.
We can't hide the fact when we come to the aggro of the pld
Overpower>flash
Rage of the Halone>the combo aggro of the two other tanks.
The rage of the halone is 260 potency.
But by what you tell, it sound like a pld who don't use flash enough to me

[Alistaire]

All supposable PLD tanks need to read my troll thread against vit tanks. Yep troll thread cause the PLD's I am targeting do mass pulls but fail to tank do their job. War and Drk don't have this issue.

I am sick of PLD's saying don't aoe on a mass pull they do. like how else should you deal with a pull 20+ single target like the pld wants? Then pull one small group at a time....

No other tanks seem to have problems holding hate like the PLD does and yet plds and all other tanks refuse to speak up as it secures the Drk mt War ot position the two tank slots need in a 8 person group.

You've had PLDs say NOT to aoe? And I thought I've had it bad in df. Good grief Charlie Brown.

...and good grief at this thread.

[SpookyGhost]

You've had PLDs say NOT to aoe? And I thought I've had it bad in df. Good grief Charlie Brown.

Remember those tanks in low level stuff who wouldn't AOE and the healer would pull off them the second they healed?

Think they might've finally made it to end game.

[RHarris1349]

What's mana? And "Taunt?" I don't get it...

[Valkyrie-Amber]

lol at the plds who fail to flash multiple times as they think threat don't scale that appears in all of my tank threads.

the other tanks agree it don't scale with str too cause the other tanks don't need flash.

and any idiot who doesn't have a 60 pld cannot speak for the fact they pull the least enmity out of the 3 tanks so any tank that goes vit gear I like to avoid,
why ? cause I'm a dps who likes to maximize my dps and the tank always a pld fails to control mobs like the tank class is suppose to.

part at fault is the eng community but if I don't see the pld flash 2x after first scorn they need to git gud if they pull the common 6+ packs. enmity wise the DRK and WAR never lose hate cause they are the better made tanks to replace the silly pld. as pld gear vit risk failing to tank and blame a dps or healer for stealing what your meant to be controlling as you are meant to be a tank.

one mob close to dead doesn't matter if you lose it but when you lose 4+ mobs in a big pull to one person is an issue to a tank that tanks need to look at maintaining agro.

fun fact a mnk starts fighting at around 33% less dps btw till they get 3 stacks or greased lightning that is approximately 17-20 seconds unless opens with perfect balance then its like only 3 secs but a good mnk never opens with that for obvious reasons and a MNK has no threat dumping skills let alone cross class dumping skills. so when a mnk reaches orange enmity of the 5 mobs on list your meant to throttle but if you have to drop gl3 to allow the tank to hold hate that's just stupid. as eng people kick low dps and afkers for failing to dps and mnk is one of main punished classes and don't even mention DRGS BOTD why cause that's not the same dps loss a monk loses when dropping out of gl3.

[Jim_Berry]

and any idiot who doesn't have a 60 pld cannot speak for the fact they pull the least enmity out of the 3 tanks so any tank that goes vit gear I like to avoid,
why ? cause I'm a dps who likes to maximize my dps and the tank always a pld fails to control mobs like the tank class is suppose to.

I'm pure VIT. I usually have no issues.

one mob close to dead doesn't matter if you lose it but when you lose 4+ mobs in a big pull to one person is an issue to a tank that tanks need to look at maintaining agro.

One day, a BLM apparently popped Raging Stikes and charged whatever ability he was charging. I didn't notice until AFTER my Shield Lob. Plan was to Lob, run to next group, then do what I do for control. Sadly, whatever the BLM did after my Shield Lob caused the other two mobs to run at him after I had already ran forward to snatch the others. That said, it is NOT always the tank fault even if he is or isn't in STR gear.

On a separate note, I saw a group for Thordan Ex who needed one more tank. He had GLD and PLD locked out. His PF iLv was for 195. I asked if my iLv201 PLD can join, and he said, "plds suck git gud bro". I still have it screen captured. They never filled after re-uping the PF three more times due to PF timer.