Changes I would like to see in 3.15 Patch Notes

**xXRaineXx** · 12-08-2015 08:35 AM

Originally Posted by WinterLuna

Bard is a support class, that's the point. It would be slightly strange if we put out the same amount of DPS as a Dragoon. I think Bard is fine the way it is, in my opinion, and actually enjoy using WM. It's not exactly that hard to play compared to other classes.

Aye... you completely missed my point >> I'm just talking about BL having little sync with rotations. Which in turn has me button mashing more than when I play MNK... I meant effort as in physical effort to actually press buttons ;/

**Sylve** · 12-07-2015 07:27 PM

Originally Posted by xXRaineXx

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At that duration on the DoTs, its better to IJ instead of BL. Especially if you have buffs up (Your own or others), you lose more DPS for having to manual cast 2 DoTs than missing a potential BL reset.
Ironically, the WM cast times have often let me correct the mistake of trying to squeeze in one last Heavy Shot :P

That said, I do think Bloodletter needs to have "Charges" instead of a flat cooldown with the River of Blood proc adding a charge rather than replacing the cooldown. The charges would recover on their own at the same rate BL currently does, but it would essentially allow the River of Blood to give us 2 uses of Bloodletter (3 if it happens at the same moment Bloodletter naturally resets) if we get lucky enough that both DoTs crit AND trigger. Place a cap on the charges or a duration on them so you can't prestack or save up dozens of shots.

I think that'd pretty much eliminate the one 'bugbear' Bard currently suffers.

**Shurrikhan** · 12-08-2015 11:11 AM

Originally Posted by Sylve

That said, I do think Bloodletter needs to have "Charges" instead of a flat cooldown with the River of Blood proc adding a charge rather than replacing the cooldown. The charges would recover on their own at the same rate BL currently does, but it would essentially allow the River of Blood to give us 2 uses of Bloodletter (3 if it happens at the same moment Bloodletter naturally resets) if we get lucky enough that both DoTs crit AND trigger. Place a cap on the charges or a duration on them so you can't prestack or save up dozens of shots.

I think that'd pretty much eliminate the one 'bugbear' Bard currently suffers.

Just a small note: DoT timers already occurred simultaneously prior to having IJ. IJ hasn't increased BL waste. Only using WM poorly (not keeping track of our the 3-second tick timer compared to offset + GCD + x oGCDs) has made any changes in regards to BL waste. The charge suggestion, if it were to take advantage of simultaneous procs, could easily increase our BL dps by an additional half our crit rate x # of double-dotted targets. If the same were applied to Rain of Death, it could well become an AoE king...

Moreover, even if it didn't take advantage of simultaneous procs, instead simply allowing for a bit more leeway, is that really something we want? At worst it would take away from the constant decision checks of WM Bard, and at best it would simply delay them those decisions by a GCD + 1.5 oGCDs. (This would let you use CDs in a more prompt manner, but unless you proc a Straighter Shot that GCD, you're still going to lose a BL or have to clip GCD on the next.)

Apart from making up for lost uptime on a melee (where rotations are finally not perfectly consistent), I typically find Bard the physical dps class of those I've leveled (all but MCH) that takes the most effort, or at least consciousness, to maximize the dps of, but I like it that way.

**Kotemon** · 12-06-2015 09:55 AM

This subject was misleading.

Originally Posted by Dyne_Fellpool

These are the patch notes I'd personally like to see. Thoughts?

**Twilite** · 12-07-2015 01:59 PM

Originally Posted by Kotemon

This subject was misleading.

People here do it all the time.... Its annoying.

**szalkerous** · 12-07-2015 04:28 PM

Bard is backwards to begin with. I feel the spirit behind this class is constant motion, and WM destroys the feng shui.

WM should provide a bonus WHILE moving. It's not as easy as it seems, next time you're on your bard/archer try it. You'd have to factor other mobs/pats, AoE, and other mechanics. It would bring a lot more fun to a class that currently with WM is required to just stand there and tap keys with the real challenge being not to doze off in the middle of it all.

Originally Posted by Kotemon

This subject was misleading.

Knew this was coming. EVERY thread is misleading to someone here, and never has a thread title changed because you think it to be so.

**WinterLuna** · 12-08-2015 01:04 AM

Originally Posted by szalkerous

Knew this was coming. EVERY thread is misleading to someone here, and never has a thread title changed because you think it to be so.

Sorry but the thread title is literally named "3.15 Patch Notes", it couldn't be any more misleading. It is giving people false information before they even open the thread. It needs to be changed although the OP has (thankfully) edited his post.

**Avidria** · 12-06-2015 09:59 AM

The brd change actually sounds like it would be more annoying than the current WM. At least now I can throw WM up and just leave it up until I swap classes or until I end up in a fight phase that has a ridiculous amount of movement in it.

I would like to see the cast time on songs reduced though, and I don't think Warden's Paean should have a cast bar at all tbh.

**Daenarys_Targaryen** · 12-06-2015 10:02 AM

Have to say I think you nailed how to fix BRD, would definitely like to see that. Still gives the same effect and would makes things better cause you immediately have it off once you move. Please SE do that.

**WinterLuna** · 12-06-2015 10:06 AM

This is very misleading.. please edit in the thread somewhere at the start that these are your own thoughts.

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