"Content Finder" - Please be careful

[HiirNoivl]

Every once in a while, a party is just going to stink. Perceptions of often that smelly party comes and any worries or lack of worry about the Content Finder stems from personal experience. Is it really the feature, just bad luck, or the community itself that will make a bad party? It's impossible to tell. Right now, everyone is a bit forced into Linkshells and don't communicate much outside of Linkshells because there is no party search feature.

[Preypacer]

I am not advocating forcing people to keep shouting in the streets in hopes that someone will answer. You're absolutely right that it's a bad system.

But that doesn't mean that going all the way in the other direction, where the game even matches groups for us, is the best system.

What I am asking for actually doesn't even go against what they've put forward in their roadmap:


I'm repeating myself at this point, but if you're going to keep bringing up shouting on the streets, I'm going to keep repeating that that's not what I'm after.

Let me enter in my available jobs, levels, what content I would be interested in (with an option for "any," similar to the "random" option in WoW's RDF), what party-roles I can take for it, and what languages I speak.
Then let me see a filterable list of everyone else (across all realms) who is looking for the same content. If I see some names on the list that I recognize, I want to be able to choose (or avoid) those people over total strangers.

If that ends up being too slow, add a "I would like to lead" button, which places people into a queue (very much like an RDF queue), and when it pops, it simply alerts them, "A group can be made. The following people are recommended for your group." and gives them a list of exactly enough names to fill their party with the appropriate roles, favoring people who have been waiting for group for longer (though the burden is still on them to send tells and invites). People who select to lead could still be chosen ahead of their place in the leadership queue, like anyone else.
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Perhaps a system that allows you to "like" or "dislike" members in your group.

If you're in a group with people who are obnoxious and you don't ever want to group with again, you can "dislike" them, and it'll automatically skip over any future parties with that person in it.

Conversely, if you find certain people to be awesome, or much more enjoyable to play with, you can "like" them, and it'll try to group you with those people again in the future if all other conditions match, they're available, etc.

This way people can create their own filtering system and it affects no one but them.

[Preypacer]

But exp party efficiency was almost as reliant on gear as BCNMs and end-game encounters. If you brought poor gear, the performance of the party was directly affected negatively and I think it's extremely unfair for someone to expect others with significantly better gear to carry them. You simply have no right to leech other people's exp. A lot of people like to demonize demanding people as elitist pricks when in reality it's the complete opposite: those elitists simply want to make sure they aren't slowing down their peers by showing up unprepared.

FFS... and then people wonder what people mean when they talk about arrogant pricks in MMORPGs.

Elitist prick attitudes like yours are part of what leads to a lot of the problems we see in MMORPGs. People, like you, who seem to think the game revolves around them, and that everyone else is there only to make your gaming experience better by meeting your standards. Who the hell are you and why the hell are you so special that you get to look down on others who dare to not play up to your oh-so-impeccable standards - especially considering you had to get to where you are yourself?

Did you start at level 1 with all the best of everything? No. You had to earn it as well. Were there parties that accepted you into them even if you didn't have all the best gear? Obviously, considering you got it somehow, right? But that's different right? 'cause it was about you. It was perfectly fine for those groups to carry you when you didn't have all that gear that you so arrogantly demand of anyone joining your groups. But that same courtesy isn't extended to others.

Typical ego-centric elitist hypocrisy; condescendingly refusing others for not matching some arbitrary standard that you haven't always met either.

The #1 creed of the elitist gamer: Always forget where you came from.

News Flash: People who seek to join a group, or do a HNM fight or what-have-you aren't automatically "looking to be carried" or "looking to slow your group down". They're looking to enjoy some content and have fun in a game. The nerve of them, right?

Get over yourself.

[Quanta]

Perhaps a system that allows you to "like" or "dislike" members in your group.

If you're in a group with people who are obnoxious and you don't ever want to group with again, you can "dislike" them, and it'll automatically skip over any future parties with that person in it.

Conversely, if you find certain people to be awesome, or much more enjoyable to play with, you can "like" them, and it'll try to group you with those people again in the future if all other conditions match, they're available, etc.

This way people can create their own filtering system and it affects no one but them.

Wow, an actual good idea. Only problem is that there'd be limits to how many people you could like/dislike, and you'd need some way to manage the lists and label people, so you know why they're there.

[Preypacer]

Wow, an actual good idea. Only problem is that there'd be limits to how many people you could like/dislike, and you'd need some way to manage the lists and label people, so you know why they're there.

Yeah I was thinking there'd have to be a limit to that as well.. Maybe like 255 names. Maybe there are some you could "tag" as being "irreplaceable" - for people you absolutely never want to encounter again, no matter what. While others could be more fluid... you'd rather not deal with them for the foreseeable future type of thing...

[charlemagne]

I prefer the fact that we play with people on our own servers, we get to know them and we build a community. Players are more likely to strike up a conversation and make the effort to get to know each other if there is a high chance they will play together often. Community is a big part of this game for me and for a lot of other players.

[Frein]

Elitist prick attitudes like yours are part of what leads to a lot of the problems we see in MMORPGs. People, like you, who seem to think the game revolves around them, and that everyone else is there only to make your gaming experience better by meeting your standards. Who the hell are you and why the hell are you so special that you get to look down on others who dare to not play up to your oh-so-impeccable standards - especially considering you had to get to where you are yourself?

Did you even read the part you quoted? It's as much expecting performance from others as it is expecting performance from myself. It's about mutual respect an avoiding piggybacking on other people's backs.

It was perfectly fine for those groups to carry you when you didn't have all that gear that you so arrogantly demand of anyone joining your groups. But that same courtesy isn't extended to others.

I always had the gear I demanded. I never joined a party undergeared.

Typical ego-centric elitist hypocrisy; condescendingly refusing others for not matching some arbitrary standard that you haven't always met either.

Like I said in my post, I always met those arbitrary standards I set. It's funny how people who can't be bothered to respect other players' time always try to flip this around as if it was the elitists who are ruining their game time.

You're free to play as you like but I don't want to and shouldn't have to group with people like you.

[Crica]

Any grouping feature in the game is going to be optional to use.

As in don't have to use it to group up.

As in make your own groups if you don't like how the optional tool works.

As in one tool can't please everyone no matter what.

As in group up with your friends and linkshell mates if you don't want to group up with random strangers using a grouping tool who are not your friends or linkshell mates.

[Jinko]

Honestly? I think people are completely exaggerating the number of jerks that are in DF groups.

Oh you would be surprised the amount of assholes I had in random parties in WoW, you know those ones that select need on every item even the ones that don't suit their class.

That being said you meet assholes in real life too, you just deal with it and move on.

For the most part I imagine most people will be decent to one another.

I just hope the dev-team allow us to make a half party and then still add ourself to the queuing system (assuming they use something like this)

It was always handy to make a 4/5 team from the guild and just use the DF to fill the last spot.

[Blarp]

Did you even read the part you quoted? It's as much expecting performance from others as it is expecting performance from myself. It's about mutual respect an avoiding piggybacking on other people's backs.


I always had the gear I demanded. I never joined a party undergeared.


Like I said in my post, I always met those arbitrary standards I set. It's funny how people who can't be bothered to respect other players' time always try to flip this around as if it was the elitists who are ruining their game time.

You're free to play as you like but I don't want to and shouldn't have to group with people like you.

It's a video game man. I don't ever log on to an MMO thinking, "I hope I meet some strange nerds expectations today."
I mean, congratulations on having good gear and putting a bunch of effort into the game, but some people just don't care as much. Is an additional 10 STR and 20 Attack really going to make such a difference that without it the guy will be useless? No.

I'd much rather play with someone who is undergeared and cool than some douchy neckbeard who insists I go farm for four hours so I can have "optimal" gear to play the game in the optimal way.