A3S nerfs incoming

[LunarEmerald]

I think normal Coil had the perfect difficulty. Savage Alexander is really too much. When statics are disbanding left and right because they can't pass dps checks, you know there's a problem.

A good portion of the player base continue to play because they raid. If you make the raid too challenging, where 99% raiders (not players, raiders) can't clear it and end up disbanding then you're killing off your own player base.

[Kiara]

I think normal Coil had the perfect difficulty. Savage Alexander is really too much. When statics are disbanding left and right because they can't pass dps checks, you know there's a problem.

A good portion of the player base continue to play because they raid. If you make the raid too challenging, where 99% raiders (not players, raiders) can't clear it and end up disbanding then you're killing off your own player base.

This. Totally agree.

I never understood WHY Yoshi P and the Dev Team decided to *increase* the End Game difficulty that severely. When 2.0 ended, I still knew plenty of players (mainstream, casual and semi-hardcore) who still DIDN'T clear Final Coil of Bahamut T13 yet.

Yet for 3.0, they decide to UP the difficulty?

I get that they want to keep the top End Game Raiders happy (and seriously, mad props to the hardcore that clear Savage!), but we've seen in the Live Letter Presentations... only a TINY percent of the entire Player Base actually has stepped foot in Alexander Savage 4, let alone beat it.

It feels like the Combat Team / Yoshi P wanted to make the content JUST for the World's Top ~5 - 10 Raid Groups, 99% of the rest of the players be damned.

That's just not healthy for the long run of this game. I hope they fix this.

[MilesSaintboroguh]

Read my previous clarification.

[Sunako]

But hey there is alex normal if savage is too hard.

[Nihility]

the problem as i see it is that in coil minor mistakes could be recovered from,
People could see clear progression being made easily, doing mechanics felt fun to do, experiencing the story itself was a driving force
It was well made and groups sticking together and pushing through it is a testament to that

alexander savage on the other hand(even the first 2 floors before people were able to outgear it from the newer content)
one person making one mistake completely kills the attempt, everyone had to be near flawless with dps so mechanics just introduce stress, the story in normal was trash and the story in savage is non-existent.
When the raiding environment changes from gathering together a group of friends to overcome challenges to having to weed out people and basically force a group who only have a professional relationship in something meant as entertainment, It's being done very very wrong

I have never in my life seen so many raid groups break apart and so many people quit raiding and even quit the game because they feel the raiding is just plain not fun


Of course I've also been playing MMO's so long that I can clearly remember when enrage timers were a very soft thing only put in place to prevent goofy tactics like kiting a boss through an entire zone while a single archer plunks away for an hour and a half.
The way they've transitioned into a hard time limit on every single encounter just seems like the laziest design choice possible

Even wildstar, the game advertised towards the 1% of the 1% super hardcore, didn't have stupidly tight enrage timers on bosses if they even had them at all

[CookieMonsta]

I actually think it isn't too difficult to nerf A3S without it losing its charm. Why not add 1-2 seconds extra to perform mechanics like Digititis, Tethers and Ferro? This would vastly reduce the difficulty and may actually allow people with mediocre ping to clear. The excessively tight timings on those abilities I find are the main culprits. The DPS check and P3 coordination checks can be overcome with more experience.

[AkkoAihara]

god ... just why has everything to be nerfed ... just let it be like it is now ... its >>savage<< after all

[Saccharin]

Sounds like most journalism these days.

I dont count people that write 'blogs' are journalists; too many idiots that call themselves journalists because they publish their opinion on the internet.

Oh, maybe I'm a journalist now.

The solution isn't to nerf existing content, but to add additional raids that are not quite as punishing.

No, it's not. This game doesn't have the playerbase like WoW has and in my opinion WoW's four difficulties are just too much.

Three bosses every 6 months does not make a raiding game and it never has been a raiding game it's just one of the avenues.

If people can't do savage as it is then those people are not hardcore raiders, 'simples'. The only viable way if SE want more people to raid savage is to make it a little easier, maybe to the level coil was before the nerfs.

But hey there is alex normal if savage is too hard.

Not all content needs to be cleared by everyone.

While true there has to be a certain amount of people to make it worth dev time. If SE nerf it then it's clearly not in their opinion.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

No, it's not. This game doesn't have the playerbase like WoW has and in my opinion WoW's four difficulties are just too much.

Three bosses every 6 months does not make a raiding game and it never has been a raiding game it's just one of the avenues.

If people can't do savage as it is then those people are not hardcore raiders, 'simples'. The only viable way if SE want more people to raid savage is to make it a little easier, maybe to the level coil was before the nerfs.

And in doing so, they potentially damage the endgame content further. If even say 30-40% of players could clear A3 Savage, then there is nothing left to challenge them until the next patch. Considering that Alexander Savage was released on July 23rd, and the only comparable content would be Thordan EX. This would equate to over six months of nothing to work towards in terms of "hardcore" content. MMOs require some sort of wall to impose upon players to inevitably challenge them or we're just trading one set of complainers for another.

[Saccharin]

And in doing so, they potentially damage the endgame content further. If even say 30-40% of players could clear A3 Savage, then there is nothing left to challenge them until the next patch. Considering that Alexander Savage was released on July 23rd, and the only comparable content would be Thordan EX. This would equate to over six months of nothing to work towards in terms of "hardcore" content. MMOs require some sort of wall to impose upon players to inevitably challenge them or we're just trading one set of complainers for another.

Blizzard don't even have 30-40% participation in their four difficulties. Reading through this thread you'll find that instead of banging their head against a boss for months most people will, or have, just quit either due to them tiring of it or fellow static members. Four months on four bosses is enough to drive anyone to quit.