The lamia

[Frederick22]

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So is possible that the lamias we see on azys la or the biding coils, are a result of experimentation of over expose of a primal's aether on living beings?

[Cilia]

Shoulda did this in the first place...

[Vejjiegirl]

Could it be possible that in order to create a Lamia the allagan just did the same thing that the Sahagain did to the drowned Pirates? Basically exposing creatures to too much of a Primals Aether? Perhaps the Allagans Creation of the Lamia and the Lamia found in Sastasha are the same.

[Ashkendor]

Who knows what horrors the bio-engineered naga/lamia were subjected to under Allag rule to cause them to cry out "Don't look at me!"; who knows what drove them from the only home they'd known for the last 5000 years (Dalamud) to Satasha. The obvious answer is to get slain by the Warrior of Light, naturally.

Food for thought: a monster known to have a gaze attack (Petrifaction) tells you not to look at it.

[Rashammel]

My theory is
Bio-engenering isn't "create from nothing", i think most of the "allagan chimera" was clones from already existing creatures genetic modified to be docile, so they get some Lamias from limsa used them as base to make guards for the Dalamund.
Same thing whit the Ixials.

[Anonymoose]

Could it be possible that in order to create a Lamia the allagan just did the same thing that the Sahagain did to the drowned Pirates?

So is possible that the lamias we see on azys la or the biding coils, are a result of experimentation of over expose of a primal's aether on living beings?

I won't say it's impossible, but in my humble opinion, it really doesn't fit with any of the information we've gotten since Sastasha HM. Here's the list of "compare and contrast" information I've been going on - let me know if I missed anything or if there's another way to group and interpret the information.

Evidence
"Lamia in Sastasha were Allagan escapees, not primal-warped modern-day courtesans."

• Interview implies that the names were deliberate misinformation based on the fact that Lominsans didn't know about Allagan technology
• Allag only had Lamia, not other entities you'd expect from a hypothetical water-aspected primal-warping, such as jellyfish people or kraken people
• Lamia on Azys Lla live on Beta Quadrant, the sector where bioweapons are
• Lamia on Azys Lla have names related to artificial reproduction, such as Cybid (Cytoplastic Hybrid) and Thelytoke (female parthenogenesis)
• Like the Lamia in Sastasha, the Lamia on Azys Lla choose to spend their time in a cave.
• Echidna appears to be Lamia (sword, petrifcation, and all) and is also a confirmed voidsent.
• The Allagan Naga are artificial voidsent that seem to be ahriman residing in decapitated lamia (hence the snake-like name, I assume). For a while, I was nervous about extending the naga to the lamia as artificial voidsent, but Echidna makes me feel a little better about the idea. Lamia could still just be Allagan chimeras and not voidsent, of course... but... Echidna...
• Snakes such as Echidna's - Dexter (right hand) & Sinister (left hand) - are artificially reproduced by Allag as well.

Evidence:
"Lamia in Sastasha were primal-warped modern people, and Allag did the same thing coincidentally."

• Sastasha HM
• Allag knew what primals were
• Lamia on Azys Lla are not far from "Mutagensis", which implies stable, directed mutation, which is what hypothetical water-aspected primal-warping would technically be. Though, not even getting that far confirms that the Lamia in Sastasha HM were Leviathan's doing. They could have been hypothetical water-aspect primal-warped Allagans that escaped from the internment hulk etc. etc. ad nauseam.

Of course, these lists aren't cut and dry. There could be weird overlap inclusive or exclusive of certain ideas, but ... of all the information we currently have, my bet is on the Sastasha lamia being Allagan, and there are hints that they, like the naga, are of the voidsent line of Allag tech.

[Cilia]

Who knows what horrors the bio-engineered naga/lamia were subjected to under Allag rule to cause them to cry out "Don't look at me!"; who knows what drove them from the only home they'd known for the last 5000 years (Dalamud) to Satasha. ... An Allagan chimera tempered by a Primal is an interesting thought, but if such a thing were possible (and who's to say it isn't) then the idea of stocking Dalamud with chimeras as a security force was a really poorly thought out plan (and who's to say it wasn't).

Lamia want people to look at them; it helps with the Petrifaction. That's not to say Allagan lamiae weren't treated horribly by their creators (who wasn't), but the simplest solution is usually the correct one, and the one here is that the lamia in Sastasha HM are just normal women warped by Leviathan's aether who consider themselves ugly now and don't want you to look at them.

I mean, sure, it's possible the lamia in Sastaha HM are Allagan bioweapons who somehow survived the Dalamud impact and later made their way to the seagrot... but that raises more questions than it answers, such as:

• Why weren't there any lamia in Sastasha Normal? (It's been 5+ years since the Dalamud impact; if they were gonna take up residence somewhere, they'd have done it by now.)
• Why are Capt. Madison and his crew leaving them alone?
• Why do they get healed by Brine (water-aspected aether)?
• Why do they not want you to look at them, when looking at lamiae is extremely beneficial to them?

... etc etc.

Madison is taking on the qualities of a kraken, while his crew are becoming like aurelia. Assuming the Lamia were once people ... what sea creatures are they turning into?

Sea serpents. They're half-sea serpent.

[Frederick22]

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I never said I dont believe you sir, on the contrary. I really think you are correct about that lamias are sintetic voidsents, created by the allagans.

My only doubt about the lamias on sastasha HM, is that they scream at us "dont look at me". Why they would care about their aspect if they are allagan creations?

Thats why I have this doubts

[Anonymoose]

Why weren't there any lamia in Sastasha Normal?

A few ideas off the top of my head: Sastasha NM took place while the Garleans were still in control of Castrum Occidens, a base whose purpose was to secure, open, and explore the La Noscean hulk. More wild mobs got into the hulk than bioweapons got out of it. Also, do you recall at which point the Garleans hit an impasse with their exploration? The bottlenecked cave where ADS had set up shop? I assume that ADS did not take kindly to bioweapons attempting to run free. By the time Sastasha HM rolls around, the Imperials have been driven off and the La Noscean hulk has been disabled. Anything not out containment probably died when life-support went down, and everything that was out of containment was able to find freedom unhindered. Perhaps a slither of escaped lamia gained self-awareness and made a break for freedom like their Azys Lla bretheren, taking up a not-enslaved-bioweapon existence in the nearby cave system. Perhaps they had no reason to leave until the hulk's support systems went offline.

Why do they get healed by Brine (water-aspected aether)?

Lamia do have an association with water in the franchise.
In FFXI, the Lamia were a beast tribe that were also thought to have origins in chimeric meddling. A subset of the Lamia, the Merrow, had very strong associations with water and were seen as akin to mermaids. Both of these were also known to raise undead (to the point that their army was known as the Undead Swarm), strengthening their connections to what FFXIV would associate with the void.

Why are Capt. Madison and his crew leaving them alone?

Captain Morgan doesn't know any more about Allag tech than the average Lominsan. (Probably less.)
Why wouldn't he assume that they were like his crew was?

I never said I dont believe you sir, on the contraty.

Nah, I'm just covering all my bases and explaining why I see one given set of ideas as most likely, given what we now as of now.
Even I'm not 100% sure I'm right, lol.

they scream at us "dont look at me". Why they would care about their aspect if they are allagan creations?

Why do they not want you to look at them, when looking at lamiae is extremely beneficial to them?

I'm no lamia psychologist, but if they were enslaved weapons for their entire lives, became self-aware, and fled to live in a cave... maybe they didn't want to hurt people, anymore, until this group of adventurers came storming in and put them well under their "kill everything in our path" umbrella. The lamia also say, "There's no going back..." and (something that would be much better for the argument that they were tempered), "One of us! One of us!" (a reference to the 1932 film Freaks parodied by South Park, the Big Bang Theory, the Simpsons, and more). Interestingly, "Don't look at me! Don't look at meee!" was also on the Simpsons.

[Frederick22]

I'm no lamia psychologist, but if they were enslaved weapons for their entire lives, became self-aware, and fled to live in a cave... maybe they didn't want to hurt people, anymore, until this group of adventurers came storming in and put them well under their "kill everything in our path" umbrella. The lamia also say, "There's no going back..." and (something that would be much better for the argument that they were tempered), "One of us! One of us!" (a reference to the 1932 film Freaks parodied by South Park, the Big Bang Theory, the Simpsons, and more). Interestingly, "Don't look at me! Don't look at meee!" was also on the Simpsons

Thats the point!
Why they care about their aspect on the first place? That means they consider theirselfs ugly, but why?