AST's weakness in end game

[Nekotee]

How many face do we ned to slap to make people understand that AST is fine XD

1) as azure said... Why not both ?
It's pretty easy to draw card on dps, and casting right after drawing allow you to have 3 second to think about the use of your card. Because all card are useful in a fight xP

2) if you have trouble with the cleric dance practice it more or learn each second of the fight, but it's true that AST must choose when to switch far more in advance compare to both the 2 other heal

3) usually when your using CU there is a reason (huge raid attack incoming) so it never go to waste. You MUST trust your co-heal et because it's him who will work. And if the tank is not protecteur then it's maybe your fault because you didn't place yourself accordingly.

4) i don't see the problem here...

5) noct have no problem at all... I did not like it at first, but there is fight were this theme is perfection !
And if you fear for your co-heal then you do not trust him enough... And that's a problem !

And you need to remember that in Alexander savage 1, AST is the king healer... Hands down
Synastry make all the hardest parts a piece of cake !

In A2S the AST can be a good main heal
It eat to much mana to aoe

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@Mizi i agree a lot nocturnal is so underestimated right now...

[Neela]

@Mizi i agree a lot nocturnal is so underestimated right now...

Hmm yeah i had this discussion with my fc-healers too... which stance to be on default.
On my point of view it's strongly based on which healer cls people played before Ast.

Our WHMs like Diu more than Noc - me on the other hand, coming with an Sch as main,
is used to play with shield/pre-heal skills so i definitly prefer Noc over Diu... so yeah...

in the end you should get used to both but im with you that most people underestimate
Noc in the first place. : /

[Mizi]

Hmm yeah i had this discussion with my fc-healers too... which stance to be on default.
On my point of view it's strongly based on which healer cls people played before Ast.

Our WHMs like Diu more than Noc - me on the other hand, coming with an Sch as main,
is used to play with shield/pre-heal skills so i definitly prefer Noc over Diu... so yeah...

in the end you should get used to both but im with you that most people underestimate
Noc in the first place. : /

I only see two stances where using Diurnal is better than Nocturnal.

1. You have to DPS, since Diurnal increases the Attack Speed;
2. You have a SCH as a pair.

Otherwise, it's full Nocturnal. Stoneskin + Aspect Benefic = No heal for awhile haha /sit or /mdance meanwhile lol

[AzureFlare]

I only see two stances where using Diurnal is better than Nocturnal.

1. You have to DPS, since Diurnal increases the Attack Speed;
2. You have a SCH as a pair.

Otherwise, it's full Nocturnal. Stoneskin + Aspect Benefic = No heal for awhile haha /sit or /mdance meanwhile lol

Diurnal's potencies far outbeat Nocturnal's potencies, giving you more healing for the same mana, so more mana to spend on DPS. It also synergises way better with TD and CO so you got those options left open if you get a bad Draw streak.
Don't get me wrong, I love nocturnal, and it is underestimated. On paper though, Diurnal beats Nocturnal in nearly every aspect, and in most fights you should be doing around what 'on paper' requires you to unless your team is derping hard. And likewise, scholar beats nocturnal hard.

I do hate how most WHM I come across automatically assume to be the main healer though. Switching who DPSes on an AST + WHM comp is so much better than WHM lazying Cure while the AST is juggling mana. And Nocturnal AST is the better tank healer after using Regen in N.AST + WHM comps.

[Risvertasashi]

1. The trick here is to get in the habit of not waiting for card actions to complete before taking your next healing/DPS action.

In other words, by the time you see which card you drew, you should already be halfway into your next spellcast.

2. You can still do a pretty good amount of stance dancing in savage. AST has awesome DoTs with no accuracy check; there's no excuse for pittance DPS (or at least, no excuse you can blame on job shortcomings)

3. It's plenty useful, actually. The HoT alone is stupidly potent, and there are plenty of instance in both savage and thordan EX where you can make use of the damage reduction too.

As for its size... it's easy enough to hit the tank. Tell your group to stack up like they should.

4. Take a look at other MMOs. Stacking shields is OP. Galvanize and noct field shouldn't stack.

5. I do think nocturnal stance could use a little more love.

[HopeEstheim]

You don't have to be so mean ^^"
I think he is right about N. Stance, while Diurnal allow to replace a WHM easily when you are paired with a SCH ; Nocturnal makes you work extra hard in your mana management, stance dancing etc... to reach SCH level when you are paired with a WHM.

Seriously, in my static, my co healer is a WHM and she doesn't want to dps, so I take the role of SCH and I know I'm making her work harder because I don't have a fairy if I want to go N. Stance. Plus, my dps is worse and the cards not always make up for the loss of a SCH. The only time I'm happy with N. Stance is in A2S, where she is DPSing while I'm healing because this way, we don't use HoTs and tanks are happy .

So, imo, keeping AB on the tank/AH on the party in Diurnal, and +5% attack speed is way better when you take the role of an "off-healer" or "DPSing-healer", making Noct a bit... "not bad, but not good".

But please don't take this post as a complaint, I think AST is fine too, I enjoy my AST a LOT and every healer comp can clear savage... I just think Noct need help in terms of DPS.

[Risvertasashi]

I just think Noct need help in terms of DPS.

What would you propose?

AST has very powerful DoTs with no accuracy check, and a direct nuke that is more powerful than anything SCH has.

The only way it will fully be on par with SCH, however, is if you give it a healing pet.

[TatoRazzino]

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You don't have to be so mean ^^"
I think he is right about N. Stance, while Diurnal allow to replace a WHM easily when you are paired with a SCH ; Nocturnal makes you work extra hard in your mana management, stance dancing etc... to reach SCH level when you are paired with a WHM.

Seriously, in my static, my co healer is a WHM and she doesn't want to dps, so I take the role of SCH and I know I'm making her work harder because I don't have a fairy if I want to go N. Stance. Plus, my dps is worse and the cards not always make up for the loss of a SCH. The only time I'm happy with N. Stance is in A2S, where she is DPSing while I'm healing because this way, we don't use HoTs and tanks are happy .

So, imo, keeping AB on the tank/AH on the party in Diurnal, and +5% attack speed is way better when you take the role of an "off-healer" or "DPSing-healer", making Noct a bit... "not bad, but not good".

But please don't take this post as a complaint, I think AST is fine too, I enjoy my AST a LOT and every healer comp can clear savage... I just think Noct need help in terms of DPS.

This is exactly the problem: your co-healer doesn't want to DPS. WHM/AST combo allows more AoE healing output and stronger single target burst for both healers, which means that both of you can stance dance in different situations and add your share of DPS. You can't use the same healing strategy you use for WHM/SCH because Nocturnal is not supposed to be a SCH replacement. Scratch the 2.X meta and use new strategies, instead of trying to make a job do something it was not designed to do.