AST's weakness in end game

[AzureFlare]

Well yeah but you just cherry picked the most forgiving MP fight in the game. Check your mana in A3 by the time the final phase starts and you've been dpsing 90% of the time before that, or even in A1 at the first drop and you have a tank to heal after you've been dpsing until the add dropped. It's not a great position MP wise to be in. Especially when the competition is versus a SCH who never has MP issues, ever.

Can it be done by a skilled player? Of course, but that's not really the issue.

The issue is that low HPS requirements + high DPS uptime + healer with mana-neutral DPS when given the chance to spam Energy Drain (and do a good chunk of damage if you actually care to use it during Cleric, which you should) without thought = stupid and not properly thought of by SE, whether it be the encounter or SCH itself. When it is so bonkers you can use your super mana-inefficient spells (Shadowflare, Broil, Ruin 2, Blizzard 2) like crazy instead of spending it wisely (no filler/Ruin only as filler) surely alarm bells should already ring.

[Sidra]

There is not a single fight in the game that at this point cannot be beaten with any combo of the 3 healers or even any of the 2 healers doubled up.

However, this thread is about AST's weakness in end game. Given there are 2 healer slots in a group and AST only legitimately competes for one slot, I find it a problem. That seems to be the whole reason for the 2 stances, which they just didn't implement Noct well to complete for the offslot with SCH.

[AzureFlare]

And what about WHM? Why can't they be in the offslot? Why shouldn't SCH be able to be in the mainslot? Let's at least make it fair to the point that all 3 jobs are both offslot/mainslot worthy without stupidly big differences. I was under the impression that Nocturnal exists as to fit the shields+regens combo, not to fit the bulk healer+hybrid DPS combo. Or do we really want to go back to the point where tons of people were complaining that 'AST gets to fulfill both gg y level SCH/WHM pfft'.
Right now, you could literally fit that same shoe on WHM: they only fit one slot. SCH's off the best being able to fit either but they are so good in the offslot you'd be branded for putting an AST/WHM on it instead, unless you go SCH+SCH. Honestly, calling nocturnal AST's lacking DPS capabilities compared to SCH is ignoring the elephant in the room when a single CD for MP being stronger than either of the two other healers' CDs combined is merely the tip of the iceberg.

[Vlady]

It is an issue. You play this game, not the game you wish it was. And in this game the off healer does far more dpsing than it does anything else, and often for extended durations as the main healer heals everything. If SE changes the meta, than perhaps it would be less important. But right now, it is. AST's mana issue while dpsing is a massive barrier to use it is anything other than the main healer.

Fail to mention the cards that buff dps of other jobs mana free did we?

[Sidra]

It's an Astrologian thread on a healer forum, I assume everyone here knows about the cards. Their existence and the benefit they provide does not make them superior to a SCH in the offhealer slot. Why would I have needed to mention them?

[Vlady]

It's an Astrologian thread on a healer forum, I assume everyone here knows about the cards. Their existence and the benefit they provide does not make them superior to a SCH in the offhealer slot. Why would I have needed to mention them?

Maybe we should let this thread die. Clearly I am wasting my 10 posts a day on incoherent posts from someone who ignores comments from people who gives him a scenario which he ignores when it goes against his arguement. Let alone how he manages to contradict himself. He is only going to talk about what is real right now and not what if scenarios then goes off and speaks that certain fights do not count because it does not fit his narrow definition where the astro fails. Thordan Extreme is a high end form of content right now as much as As3-As4.

[Mimilu]

AST QoL Suggestions
- Make it so Shuffle doesn't draw the same card.
- Nocturnal Sect. It's not bad but there are a few QoL stuff that could be done. Shyluv's suggestion of having CO increase the amount on the shields is a good example, I might even suggest having TD do the same thing as well. Another suggestion maybe to compensate for the 5% attack speed lose by having it increase our damage by a certain amount.

[Yhisa]

This is the main weakness of ast !!!

Being compaired to whm or sch..... Every damn post i see on this damn forum is..

Ast X need to be like Y skill of whm
Or
Ast X need to be like Y skill of sch

THIS IS THE PROBLEM....

Wish players stop doing this and actually come up ideas to make as have its own identity , i mean did we all bitched about AST being like whm/sch just with added card mechanics? .... Yet when people come up with ideas.... They always make it similar to sch or whm

AND THATS THE PROBLEM

[Vlady]

I just do not want one job to get buffs r that were not needed. I still do not think the astro should have gotten potency buffs.