Not the time to charge, cya in 2013...

[GreatLeviathan]

I'm still curious where all these numbers and statistics are coming from...

Just because something is split in two doesn't mean it's split equally. I'm not saying a majority of the people are going to be subscribers, but I'm also not going to assume more than half would just walk off on the game.

I've seen more support on the forums for the subscriptions than I have for not paying. Of course we can't factor in those who don't use the forums because we simply don't know what their stance is.

People are saying "When half your population leaves..." and such aren't making a good argument because there is no evidence to support this.

I agree. There are no statistics of who will and who will not leave.
Some will say i am leaving bye! and still pay as they are curious of the new patches and stuff

[Azurus]

I'm still curious where all these numbers and statistics are coming from...

Just because something is split in two doesn't mean it's split equally. I'm not saying a majority of the people are going to be subscribers, but I'm also not going to assume more than half would just walk off on the game.

I've seen more support on the forums for the subscriptions than I have for not paying. Of course we can't factor in those who don't use the forums because we simply don't know what their stance is.

People are saying "When half your population leaves..." and such aren't making a good argument because there is no evidence to support this. There is just as likely a chance that more than half the population chooses to stay as paying subscribers.

the statistics weren't my point. i know it can swing either way and THAT was my point. i'm fearful that more then just the trolls will leave and that could be problematic. All we can do is wait till it happens to see, but outside influences dont help any. You'd be a fool to think that at least some would not want to pay for an unfinished game during a collapsed world economic period. I personally think its a bad time to start charging on many levels, but like i said ill probably sub myself cause i am enjoying the game personally. Its the others I'm worried about. And New players won't be picking up this game till its done i feel, and this is an even bigger problem for this next year.

[indira]

who cares about $13 bucks in 30 days we got to play for free for a year+ and that had to of cost them a nice electric bill every month.

[Bearforce]

who cares about $13 bucks in 30 days we got to play for free for a year+ and that had to of cost them a nice electric bill every month.

SE is a multi million $ company, if you think that they need your 13$/30 days to cover thier *electric bill* then you are wrong.

[yukikaze_yanagi]

SE is a multi million $ company, if you think that they need your 13$/30 days to cover thier *electric bill* then you are wrong.

no mean they can afford to throw money in an incinerator because they're multi-billionare. Wasting money thinking you can do it because you're rich it's the first step toward bankrupt

[Bearforce]

no mean they can afford to throw money in an incinerator because they're multi-billionare. Wasting money thinking you can do it because you're rich it's the first step toward bankrupt

thinking that making a game needs *our money* doesn't justify why they fucked up in the first place. they can entirely drop funding the project, but since they have *money* it can be funded without subs. i know you feel pity about them but come on, they are not making games from FF titles alone, they also publish other games. if you think that this game gonna live past the release of v2.0 with only our subs. then you are wrong, period.

[yukikaze_yanagi]

thinking that making a game needs *our money* doesn't justify why they fucked up in the first place. they can entirely drop funding the project, but since they have *money* it can be funded without subs. i know you feel pity about them but come on, they are not making games from FF titles alone, they also publish other games. if you think that this game gonna live past the release of v2.0 with only our subs. then you are wrong, period.

I know that, master of oblius. But the point it's still valid: full of money != wasting.
Btw you're the last to have the right to speak : how many copy of the game you purchased to post here? If i recall right, this if your fifth account. And i expecting to see you again here after they start billing

[Nero]

I don't think they have any right to charge us to play a beta.

Beta is over since a year, deal with it. What you make out of the Game right now is your personal opinion and nothing more.

It's been a year and still no search function, no useable LFG system, and no mail.

Search function is in the development. Mail will come in v.2 !

LFG System EXIST in the game SINCE RELEASE. The fact that you obviously dont use it, doest not mean that is it not there. Its not the best system, but it exists.

The game is a wasteland outside of chatting linkshells. Now that tons of people are going to quit, the game is going to become even more desolate. Why am I going to -pay- to play a game that's not even really ready?

You didnt play in a while did you?

Why would a lot of people quit? Cause SE is going to charge? I call that Bullshit. The Majority of the Players doesnt even bother with the Forums, so you have no idea how many ppl will stay and how many people will leave. I am sure that people will leave, but as some other Vote-Threads shows, even the Majority of the Forum will stay and pay.

I always thought to myself that they would only change when this theoretical 2.0 was released (and on PS3 too)... but to charge us for it one year ahead of time? I understand there are bills to pay, but SE really made a horrible game and deserve to pay the price. I still feel insulted that they even released the game in the first place.

Its not a horrible Game. Its a Game which doesnt fit your personal thoughts. If so, go and find something else to play. I am not a fanboy, but i love this Game since i see it as a whole. I look at the improvements they are doing with every Patch, what kind of Content they are adding with every Patch and how they are beeing faster and faster with every Patch while the Size of the Patch is growing every Time.

I only log in to play around, check to see what's changed, and log out, and I'm sure at least 50% of the players are exactly like me (if not more).

You are totally wrong with that Statement.. if you dont leave the town, you dont even have a little Idea of what SE changed in the Patch. Ever fought Ifrit? Ever beat the Dungeons? Ever finished all Quests? ( FFXIV have ~120 right now, FFXI had after 1 year around ~50 ). Beat all NM's? Got all NM-Weapons and all NM-Gear, all Dungeon Gear? checked out the different new Camps for exp-groups? tried to Solo lower tier NM's? improved your own skill and social skill along with your LS? Tried out different tactics in Dungeons? Did Choco-escort? Did Imperial-defense? and so on, and so on, and so on.

Your highest Characterclass is Rank13, so you are not even able to attend in the most fun Stuff, how do you know you have any right to talk about Content you didnt even do? Dont get me wrong, but you have seriously no idea what you are talking about. I cant pull out a Thread like this if i didnt even manage to participate in 90% of it.

You are saying: "I don't think they have any right to charge us to play a beta."

i say: "I don't think you have any right to judge the Game at all, since you didnt participated in any kind Event."

Don't get me wrong, I had a huge smile on my face as I read through the announcement and saw the PDFs about 2.0... but I'm not paying for 1.9, or 1.20.

Then dont pay.. whats your problem? The fact that you are pulling out a Thread of this, shows to me that you WANT TO PLAY, but way to greedy to pay a single $ on it. Nothing more.. any other argument is meaningless along that line. If you really would only mind about paying for this Game while its in a bad "Status". Just go play something else.. i would just leave if i would think like that. Why are you pulling out a Thread like this? Doesnt make sense to me.

Unfortunately, they are probably making the wrong decision on behalf of the players. I already feel insulted -again-. For the entire 2012 I'm going to be pissed at them for not allowing the people who payed 50+ dollars for this garbage continue to see the updates that THEY OWE US first hand. Now I'm going to have to be a forum dweller.

YOU OWE THEM RESPECT FIRST HAND, for letting us play a YEAR for free. Get real, which is no offense but that was another selfish statement.

TLDR: I feel insulted all over again and refuse to pay for beta, a bad beta at that.

Like i said before. Just leave than and dont pay. If you dont want to pay and feel insulted, what is forcing you to stay here? Nothing.. Need someone to show you the door?


****EDIT***** Important Quote from last page.

i don't mind waiting. I've been waiting since 2010. And yes, I log into the game but i don't really do much except run around. I look at shop prices, I check the market wards, I see how bad the server - client lag is.

Thats your own fault if you dont do more than that. And the Server-Client lag isnt bad at all. Cant blame the Server for your own crappy computer. The only times when i have laggy UI is, when i have 10+ other Programs running and along with that, watching a Movie, Browser with 20 Tabs and so on.

I check to see how the combat has changed (even if it is level 15).

Not that you really would realize anything at Rank15.

It still gives a really good idea about how the general basics work in FFXIV (which are their -main- problems).

Just NO. Look above. You are far away from having "a good idea".

I don't need to level and see how the monster strongholds work, or how much EXP the leve's give. I do want to save my experiences in FFXIV for when it's actually good.

Then you should start playing.

I do not want to level up just to be higher than everyone else once 2.0 hits.

Than stay in town, or actually stay offline when they start charging. And as soon as 2.0 is out come back to this Forum and complain about it and how you dont understand anything of it, and blame SE again for your own lazyness and faults.

Bottom line still stands. You guys are just 'fanboy' enough to pay SE to test their content for them. They are counting on you to make sure their relaunch goes better than their first launch. This MMORPG now depends on this relaunch more than anything. It doesn't matter how much money they make each month in this coming year... if the relaunch does not deliver (and in a timely manner) FFXIV is going to flat out flop. Why are you paying them? They messed up. You should not have to pay for that. Charge us when the relaunch happens SE. Do not charge us to help pave the way for your relaunch.

*facepalm*

[unnameduser]

LFG System EXIST in the game SINCE RELEASE. The fact that you obviously dont use it, doest not mean that is it not there. Its not the best system, but it exists.

hahahahaha, omg god white knighting.

[Nero]

hahahahaha, omg god white knighting.

Its a fact. Another person which cant handle a LFG function? I didnt say its a good system, i simple stated a fact.