Not the time to charge, cya in 2013...

[Payadopa]

Here is hoping the negativity on these forums will end by the first of January.

[Arthane]

I'll stop playing until it's much different than it's current state. Plus, I wasn't going to play much until the newness wore off the Old Republic lol

[Picoman]

[Aladdin:] Gotta keep
One jump ahead of the breadline
One swing ahead of the sword
I steal only what I can't afford
( That's Everything! )

One jump ahead of the lawmen
That's all, and that's no joke
These guys don't appreciate I'm broke

[Crowd:] Riffraff! Street rat! Scoundrel! Take that!

[Aladdin:] Just a little snack, guys
[Crowd:] Rip him open, take it back, guys
[Aladdin:] I can take a hint, gotta face the facts
You're my only friend, Abu!
[Crowd:] Who?

[Ladies:] Oh it's sad Aladdin's hit the bottom
He's become a one-man rise in crime
I'd blame parents except he hasn't got 'em
[Aladdin:] Gotta eat to live, gotta steal to eat
Tell you all about it when I got the time!

One jump ahead of the slowpokes
One skip ahead of my doom
Next time gonna use a nom de plume
One jump ahead of the hitmen
One hit ahead of the flock
I think I'll take a stroll around the block

[Crowd:] Stop, thief! Vandal! Outrage! Scandal!

[Aladdin:] Let's not be too hasty
[Lady:] Still I think he's rather tasty
[Aladdin:] Gotta eat to live, gotta steal to eat
Otherwise we'd get along
[Crowd:] Wrong!

[Aladdin:] One jump ahead of the hoofbeats
(Vandal!)
One hop ahead of the hump
(Street rat!)
One trick ahead of disaster
(Scoundrel!)
They're quick, but I'm much faster
(Take that!)
Here goes, better throw my hand in
Wish me happy landin'
All I gotta do is jump

[yukikaze_yanagi]

To Op edit: call us fanboy if that make feel you better. But you must accept reality: some people like it, you don't.
Alas, we can pay, you don't do it and wait until the game suits your standards without vent "you're a blind fanboy, you deserve to be kicked in the balls", because make you detestable.

@ this:

When your playing with 13 people on your server and you can't find anything for sale or anyone to party with or take down Ifrit with, we WILL be missed. Try not to be so full of yourself or you may end up getting exactly what you asked for.

this remind me something a comic of my country said:

Time ago,a girl i left said: "you'll never find again someone like meeee!"
I hope so. If i didn't want you, why i should find someone else like you?

[Tezz_Xivectro]

uhg.. you people(you know who you are).

wahhhhhhhhhh fanboy, wahhhh troll
black vs white
metal vs rap
FF vs WoW

stfu. You're on a forum for FF14 did you really expect people to not be in favor of the game? Your actions of simply being here proves your interest, so lets get past this already. Go into a church and start preaching Atheism. No, just no.

Don't like gay marriage? Don't get one.
Don't like someone? Ignore them.
Don't like cigarettes? Don't smoke one.
Don't like abortions? Don't have one.
Don't like sex? Don't do it.
Don't like drugs? Don't do them.
Don't like porn? Don't watch it.
Don't like alcohol? Don't drink it.
Don't like guns? Don't buy one.
Don't like your rights taken away? Then don't take away someone else's.
Don't like FF14? Don't play/pay for it.

[Ayaseth]

There are so many topics like this I wasn't sure which one to post in lol ..here's my two cents nonetheless.

I've seen this all before back when I preordered Aion Collector's Edition. When the game released, it was in a playable and reasonable state. Then they showed this Aion 2.0 "Vision Trailer".

This "2.0" stuff is not something I've seen happen until recent MMOs. While it is nice to show your community what they'll eventually be seeing, the people who already saw problems within the game were saying/thinking: "Yea right..that's all well and fine- but they gotta fix (insert problem(s) here) first!". Then you had loyalist(nothing wrong with a loyal attitude) saying "Sure there are problems now, but look at what it can be!" ..Neither side was willing to understand the other. Regardless of the games state at launch, people will be unhappy.

I waited a little over a year after that "Vision Trailer" was debuted and I didn't see a single positive/relative change that showed me they were in fact heading in that direction. I quit Aion as a result of this. They never seemed to implement simple things...yet they were trying to add whole new PvP zones and other big things. During all this time I was being charged.

Now fast-forward to XIV. It releases in a fairly poor state - they give everyone a free year to play - they show 2.0 or Vision Concept Art a whole year later - then say it will take another year to see it to fruition. Also, you will now be charged. Its a repeat with and opposite beginning. So for me, its more being jaded than SE being fail.

I will stay- After all, when I bought the game I didn't expect the free year..I was gonna pay anyway. I want to see this "Vision", I think its nice to see where my investment is headed.

But in my book, it still stands to question: Why do companies continue to make players wait looooong periods of time for basic things in MMOs, regardless of whether they charge or not? MMOs of old released flawed because technology wasn't fleshed out. But now, It seems like companies are abusing the MMO model..its like they're releasing things intentionally and inherently flawed, just so they can rake in money and "fix it in the coming years." Games today are all about paid beta testing lol

In this games case, what's done is done, why complain? But 2 years is a lot of time to ask players to wait to see a vision when some things are fairly marred from the start. Get the basics right, then people will be more enthusiastic about this "Vision". However, I have to keep myself positive in the meantime.

Tl;dr ~ This sort of thing happens often with modern games, try to be understanding of both sides of the fanbase, try to keep a positive outlook though difficult that may be, but don't be so hopeful you don't see where you're being screwed.

P.S. Aion is pay to play and the haters never left the forums, in fact they're the ones who posted most often even up til now. This payment model does not weed out trolls.

[Isaaru]

lol fixy can't afford less than 50 cents a day to play this game

[Haseios]

So I suppose I won't be getting robbed until next month.
Whatever shall I do?

[December]

6) How would they know they like content unless they pay for it? Over the last 13 months they have given you a taste of what the future of this game holds. If you have not liked what you have seen up until this point then more than likely waiting for V2.0 to come out will not fix that. We are not waiting for a "relaunch". We are waiting on the PS3 launch. The PC version is going to change but not relaunch. Anything you have done up till now will still be there when V2.0 in released. It is a patch/version update not a server wipe. Everything done up to that point will be done to improve the current version as much as possible and to transition the world via storyline. You will still be receiving more storyline content and improvements to the game. You will be paying for that content from now on and to even more appreciation for us sticking around they will be releasing what equates to DLC that they could charge for as a freebie.

You can read reviews and watch videos. You can know the content before you pay for it.

Calling it a relaunch does not mean a server wipe. A relaunch meaning they will completely rework the game from the inside out, they've admitted this. A relaunch will bring a new advertising campaign, like how they mentioned they will bring it to next years E3.

People, 2.0 is a relaunch. They want to wait until the game is 'ready" to start bringing in new players. More people are going to leave this already desolate community of supporters. Your think your server's /shout channel is quiet now? Good look getting a group going outside of linkshell friends.

Stop bringing up the fact that my "main" character is only level 13. If you're not going to read the entire thread, then don't come in here spreading hate.

[Mortikhan]

You can read reviews and watch videos. You can know the content before you pay for it.

Calling it a relaunch does not mean a server wipe. A relaunch meaning they will completely rework the game from the inside out, they've admitted this. A relaunch will bring a new advertising campaign, like how they mentioned they will bring it to next years E3.

People, 2.0 is a relaunch. They want to wait until the game is 'ready" to start bringing in new players. More people are going to leave this already desolate community of supporters. Your think your server's /shout channel is quiet now? Good look getting a group going outside of linkshell friends.

Stop bringing up the fact that my "main" character is only level 13. If you're not going to read the entire thread, then don't come in here spreading hate.

Wait a second...you are basing your opinion on another persons opinion? I could understand if the game was not FTP if you did something like that but here we have been for a year now and you are basing your entire argument on the opinions of other people? Ummm ok. So why did you play the game to begin with? Alpha and Beta were both pretty horrendous overall and not much changed at initial release. I can understand waiting out reviews for 6 months to see what people have to say if I have to pay to play but if I buy a game and it's free for a year you better believe I am going to get my monies worth out of it before I make a call on its worth. Your other point about "knowing the content before you pay for it" is all nonsense. Seeing a few snip-its of in game graphics and some fighting scenes here and there tells you nothing about content. It might tell you something about mechanics but nothing about storyline. Reviews in general are almost always biased and opinionated and the narrators only point out what they want you to focus on rather than giving you an overview of the game itself. I usually turn down the sound so I can look at the game and not hear someone else telling me what I should be thinking about a game unless I want to hear the sound effects. If it looks interesting and I like the storyline then I give it a try. If I don't see anything that might interest me then I wait it out and make a call on it later.

Reworking menus, a graphic engine and environmental aspects of the game does not qualify as a relaunch. They are not changing the armory system. They are not changing the roles. They are not changing any progress of characters. They are not relaunching anything. They are just updating and revamping some things to make them run smoother and/or make them more accessible to people who may have trouble with them. They are also reworking them so people can get faster response times from their actions. All of the core mechanics for game play will still be the same. In short, same game just a different skin.

Bringing it to E3 doesn't mean a relaunch either. They are just reminding PS3 players that they are still around and are going to show them what the game will be like when they get there. As one who watches videos and reads/watches reviews you should know that the game is going to be a bit different in V2.0 so players should get a peek at the way things are going to be and not what they were. Again, this is advertising a revamped version of a product...not relaunching.

As far as you being level 13...could care less. I realize that people restart characters on other servers or walked away from the game before and are returning so I read what they have to say first and see if they really know what they are talking about. After reading what you have said I have come to the conclusion that you do not have enough working personal experience with the game to say it is good or bad. You gave it a try and did not like it and are validating your opinion with the opinions of others. I think you made a snap judgement on something you have not fully experienced. If you bought the game and it was free for a year I am not quite sure why you would do this but hey to each their own.