Not the time to charge, cya in 2013...

[December]

I don't think they have any right to charge us to play a beta. It's been a year and still no search function, no useable LFG system, and no mail. The game is a wasteland outside of chatting linkshells. Now that tons of people are going to quit, the game is going to become even more desolate. Why am I going to -pay- to play a game that's not even really ready?

I always thought to myself that they would only change when this theoretical 2.0 was released (and on PS3 too)... but to charge us for it one year ahead of time? I understand there are bills to pay, but SE really made a horrible game and deserve to pay the price. I still feel insulted that they even released the game in the first place.

I only log in to play around, check to see what's changed, and log out, and I'm sure at least 50% of the players are exactly like me (if not more).

Don't get me wrong, I had a huge smile on my face as I read through the announcement and saw the PDFs about 2.0... but I'm not paying for 1.9, or 1.20.

Unfortunately, they are probably making the wrong decision on behalf of the players. I already feel insulted -again-. For the entire 2012 I'm going to be pissed at them for not allowing the people who payed 50+ dollars for this garbage continue to see the updates that THEY OWE US first hand. Now I'm going to have to be a forum dweller.

TLDR: I feel insulted all over again and refuse to pay for beta, a bad beta at that.


****EDIT***** Important Quote from last page.

But you know what? I understand your position on experiencing content. You want to wait until everything has been polished and the game plays the way it was meant to. That's totally understandable. Problem is, you gotta wait then. Like it or not, the more content you play, the better idea you have of how each piece of the game fits into the whole. I could review a book having only read the first page, but no one would care to hear what I have to say about it - and rightfully so. If you want to wait until everything is fixed before you play, then wait. It's not as if the little bit of content you'd be able to give feedback on won't be covered by the thousands of other players who have experienced more of the game than you have. And making a thread saying "I'm not paying, bye" does nothing to change that.

i don't mind waiting. I've been waiting since 2010. And yes, I log into the game but i don't really do much except run around. I look at shop prices, I check the market wards, I see how bad the server - client lag is. I check to see how the combat has changed (even if it is level 15). It still gives a really good idea about how the general basics work in FFXIV (which are their -main- problems). I don't need to level and see how the monster strongholds work, or how much EXP the leve's give. I do want to save my experiences in FFXIV for when it's actually good. I do not want to level up just to be higher than everyone else once 2.0 hits.

Bottom line still stands. You guys are just 'fanboy' enough to pay SE to test their content for them. They are counting on you to make sure their relaunch goes better than their first launch. This MMORPG now depends on this relaunch more than anything. It doesn't matter how much money they make each month in this coming year... if the relaunch does not deliver (and in a timely manner) FFXIV is going to flat out flop. Why are you paying them? They messed up. You should not have to pay for that. Charge us when the relaunch happens SE. Do not charge us to help pave the way for your relaunch.

***NEW EDIT***

the problem I am seeing here is, I don't think anyone who are buying MMORPGs in 2012 holiday season are going to give a ***. You don't realize how bad a bad launch for an MMORPG can be. It can be the absolute death of it from the get-go. Now, the new dev team are working extremely hard to get this game back on track, I realize that. But, another year of basically "bad" game, -and- you have to pay for it? NO ONE NEW IS GOING TO BUY THE GAME, at best in 2012, the few of us who bought this game on launch day may come back after 2.0

NEW EDIT 10/18

I came here to talk about it because these are my people. They are the people who I will be sharing a world with. This is my community. I really hope that this community becomes a big part of my online gaming life for many years. If I wanted to just shout into the ears of people who don't even play this game, I would've went to MMORPG.com or something. But that's not what I wanted.

[Kaida]

Do we need another one of these?

[Tibian]

Do we need another one of these?

I think we do. You're going to be paying for a game that is 50% complete. How do you justify that?

Would you pay for FF13-2 to come out 50% complete and "enjoy" it? Probably not. I realize that some people want to pay to support the games development into the wonderful concept that we've just been introduced to. However when it comes down to it, you're going to be paying probably 120 dollars for a 50% unfinished product, plus whatever you spent on retail.

If anything they need to charge us only half price, like 6 dollars. I'd gladly subscribe for that amount. Or start the subscription later in the future -- like the summer after the server fixes get implemented so we can actually have meaningful gameplay.

You will be getting a $50 game for free when they put version 2 online for free download for people who bought the original. If you don't want to pay now then don't. I'm sure SE doesn't care. You will come back when they offer you that shiny new v2 for free with a new trial.

You're not getting a new 50 60 dollar game for free. Its the game we should have gotten for 90 dollars at launch. Don't be delusional.

[December]

I think we do. You're going to be paying for a game that is 50% complete. How do you justify that?

Would you pay for FF13-2 to come out 50% complete and "enjoy" it? Probably not. I realize that some people want to pay to support the games development into the wonderful concept that we've just been introduced to. However when it comes down to it, you're going to be paying probably 120 dollars for a 50% unfinished product, plus whatever you spent on retail.

If anything they need to charge us only half price, like 6 dollars. I'd gladly subscribe for that amount. Or start the subscription later in the future -- like the summer after the server fixes get implemented so we can actually have meaningful gameplay.

Holy crap lookout folks, it's someone else who actually has a freaking brain around here.

[Abriael]

I think we do. You're going to be paying for a game that is 50% complete. How do you justify that?

I'm going to pay for a game that is fun. actually more fun than a lot of others whose developers state that they are "100% complete". That's how I justify that, and that's what logic dictates.

[Narmito]

I think we do. You're going to be paying for a game that is 50% complete. How do you justify that?

Would you pay for FF13-2 to come out 50% complete and "enjoy" it? Probably not. I realize that some people want to pay to support the games development into the wonderful concept that we've just been introduced to. However when it comes down to it, you're going to be paying probably 120 dollars for a 50% unfinished product, plus whatever you spent on retail.

If anything they need to charge us only half price, like 6 dollars. I'd gladly subscribe for that amount. Or start the subscription later in the future -- like the summer after the server fixes get implemented so we can actually have meaningful gameplay.



You're not getting a new 50 60 dollar game for free. Its the game we should have gotten for 90 dollars at launch. Don't be delusional.

what do you prefer to give you 1 year content for version 1 and pay for the expasion version 2 do you think its better that ?

they giving you the chance if you dont like to play the prequel to leave and play something else and come back again at version 2 and DOWNLOAD FREE your GAME!!!

stop asking about your game that you have bought ....THEY GONNA GIVE YOU AT 2012-2013 FREE !!!

they just want to make the version 1 Prequel Because they are making a NEW final fantasy for all the fans that bought the game 1 year ago AND THEY GOING TO GIVE US THE VERSION 2 FREE !!!! !!! OH MY GOD !! stop crying !!!

[Tibian]

what do you prefer to give you 1 year content for version 1 and pay for the expasion version 2 do you think its better that ?

they giving you the chance if you dont like to play the prequel to leave and play something else and come back again at version 2 and DOWNLOAD FREE your GAME!!!

stop asking about your game that you have bought ....THEY GONNA GIVE YOU AT 2012-2013 FREE !!!

they just want to make the version 1 Prequel Becouse they are making a NEW final fantasy for all the fans that bought the game 1 year ago AND THEY GOING TO GIVE US THE VERSION 2 FREE !!!! !!! OH MY GOD !! stop crying !!!

It sounds like you're the one crying with all your poorly placed spaces, caps-lock, and exclamation points. I'm just expressing my concerns over the fact that they treated this as a beta, and then they will be holding another beta in the future.

Secondly, would it kill you to use a period? If you're going to constructively hold a conversation with someone at least present me with something that a middle school student could articulate.

Lastly, you're correct. They are making the version 2.0 XIV from the ideas and discussions that thousands of disgruntled users posted on the forums. What you're incorrect about, is that it is a new game. Please don't treat it like a new IP, or a new game. It isn't even an expansion. It is the game, that should have been in my 90 dollar collectors edition box, from the very beginning.

That is why charging now is not the right action to take. It further alienates the people who already dislike the game (that this entire 2.0 fix is trying to get back), and it continues the growing loss of interest and trust of the Final Fantasy brand.

As I've stated before, if they offered a 50% reduction in subscription costs until the end of the 2.0 beta, or start the subscription fees after the server fixes/UI were implemented; sure I'd be happy to help show my support for the game. Unfortunately they are just being greedy at this point.

And yes, I'd probably be more satisfied if they kept the game open for free, and then made 2.0 as an expansion pack. First of all, the expansion pack would only be 40 dollars: a reasonable sum. Secondly, they can't get away with that because it would cause more outrage than this debacle has already done. So they're opting for the choice that will get them more money and less hate, because really: who is going to buy an expansion pack that fixes a severely broken and flawed game?

[Etheos]

It sounds like you're the one crying with all your poorly placed spaces, caps-lock, and exclamation points. I'm just expressing my concerns over the fact that they treated this as a beta, and then they will be holding another beta in the future.

Secondly, would it kill you to use a period? If you're going to constructively hold a conversation with someone at least present me with something that a middle school student could articulate.

Lastly, you're correct. They are making the version 2.0 XIV from the ideas and discussions that thousands of disgruntled users posted on the forums. What you're incorrect about, is that it is a new game. Please don't treat it like a new IP, or a new game. It isn't even an expansion. It is the game, that should have been in my 90 dollar collectors edition box, from the very beginning.

That is why charging now is not the right action to take. It further alienates the people who already dislike the game (that this entire 2.0 fix is trying to get back), and it continues the growing loss of interest and trust of the Final Fantasy brand.

As I've stated before, if they offered a 50% reduction in subscription costs until the end of the 2.0 beta, or start the subscription fees after the server fixes/UI were implemented; sure I'd be happy to help show my support for the game. Unfortunately they are just being greedy at this point.

And yes, I'd probably be more satisfied if they kept the game open for free, and then made 2.0 as an expansion pack. First of all, the expansion pack would only be 40 dollars: a reasonable sum. Secondly, they can't get away with that because it would cause more outrage than this debacle has already done. So they're opting for the choice that will get them more money and less hate, because really: who is going to buy an expansion pack that fixes a severely broken and flawed game?

Cool story bro. Nope, SE still doesn't care about your story.

[Narmito]

Secondly, would it kill you to use a period? If you're going to constructively hold a conversation with someone at least present me with something that a middle school student could articulate.

Φιλέ μου

Δεν έχω κανένα πρόβλημα να χρησιμοποιήσω σωστά την γλώσσα μου εν μέσω της γραφής ,ώστε η συζήτηση να είναι ποιο εποικοδομητική. Δυστυχώς τυγχάνει τα αγγλικά μου να μην είναι η μητρική μου γλώσσα , και αυτό καθιστά δύσκολο να μπορώ να επικοινωνήσω ολοκληρωμένα με κάποιον διαφορετικής εθνικότητας από έμενα. Εφόσον ζητάς μια συζήτηση με ανώτερη σχολική μόρφωση βολέψου με την καλύτερη που έχω στα ελληνικά .
Για καλή σου τύχη υπάρχει το Google μεταφραστής .

Δεν κλαίω αγαπητέ μου φιλέ ,ούτε προσπαθώ να υποστηρίξω τα συμφέροντα μιας εταιρείας .Σαν καταναλωτής λοιπόν εκφράζω την δική μου άποψη πάνω στα παράπονα σας . Αν το πρόβλημα σας είναι λοιπόν ότι η εταιρία ζητά χρήματα για ένα κάκιστο παιχνίδι , με κάθε δικαίωμα σας αφήνει την επιλογή να παίξετε το παιχνίδι ( που σας οφείλει) στο μέλλον . Δεν μιλάμε για κάποιο expansion μιλάμε για ένα ολόκληρο παιχνίδι ακριβός όπως το ζητούσαμε όλοι μας . Ποιο ακριβώς είναι το πρόβλημα σου ? Οτι θες να παίξεις το παιχνίδι που η ιδία εταιρία δηλώνει ότι σε ένα χρόνο τις είναι αδύνατον να διορθώσει τα προβλήματα του , και αναγκάζετε να στύση νέους Servers , νέους χάρτες , νέο User Interface , και αλλά πολλά ?

Εφόσον το παιχνίδι δεν είναι έτοιμο γιατί στεναχωριέσαι που σε χρεώνει ? Αφού δεν σου άρεσε και δεν έχει και κάτι άλλο να προσφέρει γιατί δυσανασχετείς που δεν θα μπορείς να παίξεις πια ? . Το παιχνίδι που φτιάχνετε ολοκληρωμένο για εσένα δεν βρίσκετε ακόμα εδω , όταν θα είναι έτοιμο θα σας φωνάξουμε να το παραλάβετε δωρεάν .

καλό βράδυ

με εκτίμηση Narmito

[Quesse]

Do we need another one of these?

yes we do. ....