Not the time to charge, cya in 2013...

[Azurus]

how is this thread not locked yet? Too much idiocy on both sides in one place...

[Sagagemini]

Guys, we'll all be playing together one year from now.
Let's all be friends, ok? lol

[Wynn]

As if the bar was set high in the OP

[Alerith]

As if the bar was set high in the OP

Beat me to it.

[December]

See yall in game!

[Xbob42]

I still don't get why there are apologists for this...

If a game is worth money, let it speak for itself, don't defend it like some kind of White Knight idiot on the forums, as if a major corporation needs your insignificant childish defense force to protect it from the monstrosities of people having standards.

The game SUCKS right now. Is it better than launch? A million times so -- but it still SUCKS. It is not a product worthy of a subscription fee; what's more telling is that almost no one plays it and it's FREE TO PLAY. Their financial issues are of their own doing and we should not have to bear the burden of their blindingly obvious mistakes.

A year of free game time on a shitty game is not a good deal when you spent $50-$80USD expecting a product of FFXI quality or better. There are several free-to-play games out and coming out that are changing the face of MMO gaming, while Square thinks they'll survive with a subscription plan in this day and age? People aren't even sure if The Old Republic will survive with its subscription fee. Free-to-play is becoming the way to go, it's extremely profitable and it keeps games lively for far longer.

The notion that you need subscriptions to succeed with your MMO is a fallacy that needs to die, and everyone defending this needs to get some goddamn perspective here in the real world. This idea is hugely unpopular, Yoshi-P acknowledged that in the goddamn post. Which means he's obviously having his hand forced.


That said... This is all just a distraction, I think.

But I don't think this has anything to do with generating revenue off of sub fees. I think it has to do with getting thousands of non-revenue generating players off of servers, lowering the player count immensely as they work on a product we can't really provide feedback for. (2.0)

The money they generate for fees will be infinitesimal. The money they save by creating that barrier, however, will be significant.

It's not a bad plan, but it has nothing to do with them needing money badly enough to rely on a few thousand subscribers (If they even get THAT many.) and more to do with them saving as much money as possible so that the game isn't hemmoraghing money until it gets its true release in 2012, which I greatly anticipate. (Honestly, that concept screenshot made me physically excited! (No, not like that. Well, maybe.) So here's hoping that it's accurate!)

[Wynn]

I still don't get why there are apologists for this...

If a game is worth money, let it speak for itself, don't defend it like some kind of White Knight idiot on the forums, as if a major corporation needs your insignificant childish defense force to protect it from the monstrosities of people having standards.

The game SUCKS right now. Is it better than launch? A million times so -- but it still SUCKS. It is not a product worthy of a subscription fee; what's more telling is that almost no one plays it and it's FREE TO PLAY. Their financial issues are of their own doing and we should not have to bear the burden of their blindingly obvious mistakes.

A year of free game time on a shitty game is not a good deal when you spent $50-$80USD expecting a product of FFXI quality or better. There are several free-to-play games out and coming out that are changing the face of MMO gaming, while Square thinks they'll survive with a subscription plan in this day and age? People aren't even sure if The Old Republic will survive with its subscription fee. Free-to-play is becoming the way to go, it's extremely profitable and it keeps games lively for far longer.

The notion that you need subscriptions to succeed with your MMO is a fallacy that needs to die, and everyone defending this needs to get some goddamn perspective here in the real world. This idea is hugely unpopular, Yoshi-P acknowledged that in the goddamn post. Which means he's obviously having his hand forced.


That said... This is all just a distraction, I think.

But I don't think this has anything to do with generating revenue off of sub fees. I think it has to do with getting thousands of non-revenue generating players off of servers, lowering the player count immensely as they work on a product we can't really provide feedback for. (2.0)

The money they generate for fees will be infinitesimal. The money they save by creating that barrier, however, will be significant.

It's not a bad plan, but it has nothing to do with them needing money badly enough to rely on a few thousand subscribers (If they even get THAT many.) and more to do with them saving as much money as possible so that the game isn't hemmoraghing money until it gets its true release in 2012, which I greatly anticipate. (Honestly, that concept screenshot made me physically excited! (No, not like that. Well, maybe.) So here's hoping that it's accurate!)

Nobody is White Knighting. We are saying if you don't like the game now and don't want to pay, then don't. Take care and we'll see you later, maybe.

If people really feel that a year of game time was not worth their purchase price, they shouldn't still be here. It's a load of crap. The people that are here, and are actually playing, like this game. They can lie all they want. Those that don't play and are just posting whine posts in the forums are nothing more than trolls since they don't play so what should it matter whether or not players are getting charged.

Either way you slice it, put up or shut up.

[Bearforce]

Nobody is White Knighting. We are saying if you don't like the game now and don't want to pay, then don't. Take care and we'll see you later, maybe.

If people really feel that a year of game time was not worth their purchase price, they shouldn't still be here. It's a load of crap. The people that are here, and are actually playing, like this game. They can lie all they want. Those that don't play and are just posting whine posts in the forums are nothing more than trolls since they don't play so what should it matter whether or not players are getting charged.

Either way you slice it, put up or shut up.

telling us we shouldnt be in the general discussion forums? you sir are made out of gold, Gm,s will gonna rush to you in-game and gives you a /hug for defending a multi billion $ company. pretty sure at the release of v2.0 they gonna reward you with a "metaphorical cookie".

[Wynn]

telling us we shouldnt be in the general discussion forums? you sir are made out of gold, Gm,s will gonna rush to you in-game and gives you a /hug for defending a multi billion $ company. pretty sure at the release of v2.0 they gonna reward you with a "metaphorical cookie".

The guys frothing at the mouth right now about the plan to charge are one of three things:

1.) a troll who no longer plays this game and any changes do not impact them
2.) a liar who is enjoying the game but doesn't want to pay for it
3.) a pitiful masochist who enjoys being miserable playing a game they loathe for an entire year

Which one are you?

And by the way, it is SE who is telling you that you shouldn't be here. That is why when subs come, those who don't pay up will find they can no longer rant in the official forums. They didn't make that change for no reason.