Would Duality working with combo effects be a bad idea?

[Irysa]

Hear me out, I've just been thinking; people already sometimes have to use Duality on their Armor Crushes due to just not having the time or flexibility in their rotations. What if as a QOL change, a Duality Armor Crush gave you a double refresh, for 60 seconds of Huton duration increase? Maybe have the second effect halved/cut to a third or something if that's seen as excessive.

I can't really see this being that big a deal, and applying bonuses twice wouldn't really do anything to Shadow Fang or Dancing Edge anyway, the duration of the debuff refresh would be the same.

[Sevyrr]

This... is a point I've thought about before, and was very upset about when I took the time to properly read Duality's skill description.
The only issue I could see arising from this change would be related to either: A) some future skill they intend to add at a later point, or B) some coding problem that is (somehow) unresolvable without heavy modifications of the current system.

(And a lot of salty Bard's complaining that Barrage should work the same way. But then again... A) the only thing that could be "abused" with Barrage would be the Heavy Shot proc chance which would be a severe drop in dps, and B) there aren't any other stacking additional effects from the Bard kit.)

[Gamer3427]

Why would people have to use Duality on Armor Crush? I mean, I can see benefits to what you're suggesting, but do people really just never leave enough time on their Huton to allow them to get in an Aeolian Edge when Duality is up? I've never had that issue, and while my rotation is probably far from perfect, I still put out relatively high damage as a NIN when I don't screw up my combos.....

EDIT: Also, I'm not attempting to be one of those, "I can do it so everyone should be able to", type people. I'm just legitimately curious as to whether I'm missing something entirely in regards to the rotation. I don't play NIN that often, and I'm also only level 58 on it, so it's entirely possible I have no clue what I'm talking about.....

[MagiusNecros]

I wish Duality let all weaponskills strike twice for 10 seconds. Basically a Ninja's very own self buff in lieu of Trick Attack. I'm a bit bummed it's just a glorified Life Surge without the heal. Optimal use of Duality would be for Aeo Edge since it would be our hardest hitting attack. Personally though if you know you won't be able to fit an Aeo in then you can spend Duality on a different attack or just wait until you have a good opportunity to use it with Aeo.

[Viridiana]

I wish Duality let all weaponskills strike twice for 10 seconds. Basically a Ninja's very own self buff in lieu of Trick Attack. I'm a bit bummed it's just a glorified Life Surge without the heal. Optimal use of Duality would be for Aeo Edge since it would be our hardest hitting attack. Personally though if you know you won't be able to fit an Aeo in then you can spend Duality on a different attack or just wait until you have a good opportunity to use it with Aeo.

That would be awesome, but would also be pretty overpowered. It would be about as powerful as Mutilate dot if Mutilate had 100% uptime. And it would be at least as powerful as TA and stack with TA (every other TA, anyway).

As for whether to hold it or not, I summarized the math here: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post3144531

The math itself is a page or so before that, iirc.

[Fellesarah]

Do not waste time wondering how to improve the ninja dps whenever the dragoons and mnk are 80-100 dps up over the ninja , the ninja is only a support class to improve raid dps ... its a fact

[MagiusNecros]

To the main point I'm gonna say no. The tooltip explicitly says that the damage inflicted will be applied twice but the bonuses will not. For Armor Crush the bonus is the +30 seconds of Huton. If they should do anything it's change the little blurb when you hover over Duality in combat and change next weaponskill will strike "multiple times" to "twice". Because nitpick. Only ever seen it double the damage and not triple or quad it.

[MrCookTM]

Why would people have to use Duality on Armor Crush?

Because that's the proper way to do it, as using duality on your next armor crush is a dps increase over holding it for your AE, unless you would AE combo right after AC (aka you don't have to mutilate/SF because they're still running and don't fall of soon), in which case holding it a few seconds for AE is worth it. Shasta's guide has the math for this, if your interested. Also having enough time on your huton doesn't really matter, as long as you don't use AC with more than 40 seconds left on huton, the amount of AC's/AE's you do doesn't change.

On the topic itself: I like the idea of duality AC giving more huton uptime, but the only thing that would do is increasing nin's personal dps, which is not needed. Nin is already highly wanted for every progression group, and nin doing more personal dps as it does right now, would probably fuck with melee balance pretty hard.

[Jamillion]

If I could just crit on Duality I'd be happy. I mean really, what's the point in denying us that small pleasure?

[MagiusNecros]

If I could just crit on Duality I'd be happy. I mean really, what's the point in denying us that small pleasure?

So the devs can feel A Dream within a Dream is an amazing skill.