So...about that white magitek mount

[Lorielle]

So I've been keeping tabs on these topics and they all sound the same. It sounds like it comes down to two things:

1. Re-Skins not being available in game, but for money
2. Future of items being implemented for Cash Shop

Mostly the former than the latter. For what reason? Because these people complaining also want the mount, but don't want to spend extra money on it. Now that's your decision to do so, much like it's people who wish to buy the mounts without a care in the world. Playing Devil's Advocate, why not pay the extra money to help support SE's future(seeing we know XIV's success is being used for other projects anyway)? People will complain one way or another even if it was in-game. Ponies were asked twenty times over to be raised on rates. People complained about Twintania being available through Recruit a Friend(not cash Shop, but hey, not in game. SE is evil).

As other posters mentioned, all you did was pay for a membership to access the club. What other additional features that are in the club may or may not be included. You have perhaps years of content potentially at your disposal for your subscription, so, what is the issue for a business trying to make a little extra, I wonder? As I mentioned to some people in game, it's literally a day's worth meal at best unless you're being super saving with cash(which playing XIV may not be in the best of interests).

[Brannigan]

Sleipnir should have dropped off of Odin. These should have been obtainable in-game. Cash shops are the ultimate casual garbage. "I don't want to actually play the game to get stuff, I just want it mailed to me."

Here's a quick list of possible places they could have put these reskins:

Achievement: Help 50 players get their first clear of Castrum Meridianum
Drop: Minstrel's Ballad: Castrum Meridianum
A new quest line
Crafting
Free Company crafting
Just make the regular magitek mount dye-able like Chocobos.


I don't even want the mounts, but there's a clear flow of things in MMORPGs. Subscription->Content->Rewards. This skips the content, which is what you're actually supposed to be paying for.

[Dualblade]

If anything, I'm wondering what people would do when SE will put private housing on the mogstation for real money charged upon your current subscription. It's optional so you don't have to buy it, even though it's terribly made.

As someone who doesn't mind the cash shop, nor care much about personal housing even if it was all nice right now, I would defintly be on the protest side with this, and I'm pretty sure most players regardless of region would not put up with it. I'd actually consider that to be P2W honestly.

That said again, I don't mind what they have done with the cash shop so far, beyond that I wish we had a bit more put into atleast the Gold Saucer instead. Also again, if 4-man dungeons/raids become a thing a Castrum/Prae should be the first two and have the mounts as very rare drops.

Sleipnir should have dropped off of Odin. These should have been obtainable in-game. Cash shops are the ultimate casual garbage. "I don't want to actually play the game to get stuff, I just want it mailed to me."

Whenever they add in Urth's Fount EX (or whatever the next Odin fight is eventually called), Sleipnir should be added with a drop rate atleast as low as original ponies, and said drop rate should never increase because its in the cash shop. Also would be a good time to add in flying function for it.

[Lorielle]

Sleipnir should have dropped off of Odin. These should have been obtainable in-game. Cash shops are the ultimate casual garbage. "I don't want to actually play the game to get stuff, I just want it mailed to me."

Oh please. The game as a majority is casual beyond belief. These items are nothing but glamour and do nothing but such. I don't know about you, but I earned my 12/24 bucks or however much I want to spend on that cash shop in real life. God forbid someone wants to buy themselves or someone else something nice with their hard earned work.

[Brannigan]

The game as a majority is casual beyond belief. These items are nothing but glamour and do nothing but such.

Exactly. They regularly release content that rewards nothing BUT glamours (read: every dungeon released since 2.1, the entirety of Gold Saucer). Glamours are rewards for doing content in the game. Primals drop horses. Paying for stuff like this instead is basically just skipping actually doing stuff so you can idle in Lavender Beds or whatever looking pretty.

I don't know about you, but I earned my 12/24 bucks or however much I want to spend on that cash shop in real life. God forbid someone wants to buy themselves or someone else something nice with their hard earned work.

Again, "I don't want to play the game, just let me buy it."

[Lorielle]

Snippy

Since this is a mount issue, this is two mounts(technically 4 if you count Sleip and Twin), available outside of game means. Against how many already available to us? Someone give me the number. 3 of which you can pay if you want them. 1 you just recruit others. Uhh, no. Glamours may be the rewards for most of what's being done, but SE certainly hasn't said that would be the only place you would find them. That is something you and many others deduced and believed to be the truth. In turn, shame on SE for doing something that betrayed your beliefs.

And how does that statement translate into that? That's some whack translation job there. Anyone who buys things is a pushover? That's a cool deduction, yo. Next you're gonna tell me the people that buy cash shop junk buy gil too.

[Brannigan]

And how does that statement translate into that?

How about this, then: other than paying for a subscription and buying the game, why should any amount of money you have in real life mean anything in-game? Glamours, mounts, and titles are most of the rewards you get for doing content in this game. It's all about cosmetic stuff because stats are fleeting. When you are able to buy these rewards that means the game has become pay2win.

Would it be okay to sell cosmetic-only High Allagan gear in the cash shop?
Would it be okay to sell new emotes and dances in the cash shop? Hairstyles? Titles?

[CyrilLucifer]

Mostly the former than the latter.. . . Playing Devil's Advocate, why not pay the extra money to help support SE's future(seeing we know XIV's success is being used for other projects anyway)? People will complain one way or another even if it was in-game.

Because I don't want to support this future that SE is heading towards. SE has already fallen down the slippery slope once with paid content, with All the Bravest. Remember that? That game was received abysmally worldwide and was "pay to do anything at all" while also being pay to play - seeing the results of that game, your whole "club" argument falls extremely flat, because they can be also be used for that game as well.

Cash shop debates are nothing more than beating a dead horse and I won't bother, but the fact is, prices in this particular cash shop have gotten progressively more expensive over time because SE knows people are willing to buy them - that doesn't mean they should be becoming more expensive. There's no effort being put into this; these mounts are not content that takes much time to make - look at any game that supports modding and you'll see things that take far more time and effort than a recolor. In fact, the mods, free content that do recolor often retexture entirely, making them look cleaner overall.

Also, I don't mind spending $12 on a game, but if I'm going to spend $12, it's going to be on something I can actually play, not something that makes me look pretty for a week before I get bored with it and start using other mounts.

[Lorielle]

How about this, then: other than paying for a subscription and buying the game, why should any amount of money you have in real life mean anything in-game?

This goes by person to person because some people see value differently. I personally do not care. If it is something I want, I'll go for it. If it is not, then I won't. It's nothing more simple than that and it should be for everyone else. However, MOST people reasoning for these complaints is more because they WANT the mount too, but are blocked by a pay wall. So, to me, getting upset about not being able to get what you want because it isn't free is nothing more than a child not getting their way.

This isn't pay to win. You're not winning anything. I hate when people try to associate that when it's not boosting anything. I'm not expert in mobile games, but THOSE are your pay to wins depending on the game. Or something like PSO2 even. There's no advantage to having these mounts at all. They do nothing but one thing...Play Steel Reason. That. Is. All. Your other examples? They do nothing but provide an alternate look. Do they do anything to anyone else's gameplay? No. The only thing that happens is people being petty that they can not have it too.

[MilesSaintboroguh]

But if I don't get the next hottest glamour, then I can't win at looking pretty, can I?