So...about that white magitek mount

[Mature]

It is OPTIONAL let it to rest and move on......

[Colorful]

It is OPTIONAL let it to rest and move on......

This is a game, literally everything in it and the game itself is optional

[Caelan]

agreed w op. i'm broke af irl and like having things to do in-game. i'm not alone in this, i think?

[MilesSaintboroguh]

This is a game, literally everything in it and the game itself is optional

Is there a better counter argument than that or is everyone just going to go "No u"?

[Colorful]

Is there a better counter argument than that or is everyone just going to go "No u"?

An argument to people screaming that it's optional? Yep, citing other MMOs that have went down the same route, the same group of people claimed it was only optional stuff and that the majority was still in the game, and that changed fast. Of course when you say they retort with "But that's a slippery slope, you have no evidence of that", of course I don't, that doesn't invalidate the argument. There's a difference between a reasonable slippery slope and an absurd one, which would be on the lines of:

FFXIV IS GOING TO MAKE RAIDS NOTHING BUT A WHITE ROOM AND YOU HAVE TO BUY THE MODELS AND TEXTURES FROM THE MOGSTATION

Businesses are out to make money, they're going to keep pushing it until they keep making money and the community will adapt and be fine with it. Level boost first introduced to WoW it was an outrage, now? It's fine. Mounts? It was fine, only a few mounts right? Now, most mounts in game are a literal reskin (not even adding extra armour in some cases). Hell, this slippery slope is already in effect with FFXIV. First it was Fantasias, "every MMO does it, there's no problem, it's cheaper than other MMOs" (I agree there), then old event items "Hey, it's better than them never coming back", even though they have come back before, then Sleipnir. No one was happy with that, even the Japanese players, some of them got salty to the point that stating someone important on the development team resembled a frog's testicle sack. The English players though? "It's only optional", let's move forward a few months, now we have NPC clothing and then even a patch later, two mounts. The icing on the cake is that they're not even account wide, like WoW would do it. Mog Station updates are becoming more and more frequent.

[Mature]

This is a game, literally everything in it and the game itself is optional

If the item was part of the story mode and it REQUIRES YOU to buy in order to finish the game will you still say it's an optional thing? Clearly not. You already paying for the sub why will you need to pay again?

The magitek is just a cosmetic thing as well as everything else in the cash shop making it OPTIONAL. In other words , no needed.

This should be locked as this cash shop business has been talked about over and over again.

[whiskeybravo]

Businesses are out to make money, they're going to keep pushing it until they keep making money and the community will adapt and be fine with it. Level boost first introduced to WoW it was an outrage, now? It's fine. Mounts? It was fine, only a few mounts right? Now, most mounts in game are a literal reskin (not even adding extra armour in some cases). Hell, this slippery slope is already in effect with FFXIV. First it was Fantasias, "every MMO does it, there's no problem, it's cheaper than other MMOs" (I agree there), then old event items

Fear-mongering: the action of deliberately arousing public fear or alarm about a particular issue.

SE has stated quite specifically their desire to keep Mogstation items limited to glamour and things that won't affect gameplay. Until they actually put something on there that affects gameplay, this is all just hot air, trying to make a bad guy when there aren't actually any present.

[Colorful]

Fear-mongering: the action of deliberately arousing public fear or alarm about a particular issue.

SE has stated quite specifically their desire to keep Mogstation items limited to glamour and things that won't affect gameplay. Until they actually put something on there that affects gameplay, this is all just hot air, trying to make a bad guy when there aren't actually any present.

I'm well aware that they don't intend to do that, it would be intentionally offing their own game. Maybe when it's dying and they want to milk it for all its worth, but they'd have gone F2P by then regardless. The point is, glamour is a very big deal in this game. What does this game have going for it, interesting fights? Right, 5-6 fights every 8 months. Why do people run Void Ark 20 times a day? For the gear, what value does the Void Ark gear have? Glamour, that's it, it's entirely worthless due to uncapped Diadem now. A huge part of why quite a lot of people I play is glamour, mount collecting, minion collecting, and so on. As it stands, the cash shop doesn't cut into that too badly, my argument is that they very well might pull a Blizzard and do that, they've gotten more and more frequent with cash shop updates and that's what leads me to believe that.

PS. Could any form of petition of a very real issue not be considering fear mongering? I hate to compare it to real world issues, but I'll do so anyway. Net Neutrality is a big thing was/is a rather large issue, people were spreading the potential issues ("fearmongering", as you put it) of it changing to a more closed system, and that caused hundreds of thousands to voice their dislike for the system and get it stopped even though it seems to be pop up again every few months. Should we shut up and accept it because we're creating fear? No, it's reasonable to fear such a system because of it's potential, previously proven examples.

If the item was part of the story mode and it REQUIRES YOU to buy in order to finish the game will you still say it's an optional thing? Clearly not. You already paying for the sub why will you need to pay again?

The magitek is just a cosmetic thing as well as everything else in the cash shop making it OPTIONAL. In other words , no needed.

This should be locked as this cash shop business has been talked about over and over again.

Okay, sure it's optional, but how is that an argument against it? If they decided "You know what, no more craftable glamour sets or Gold Saucer rewards, we'll throw them on the Mog Station instead" would you be fine with that, because it's "optional" in the end, isn't it? I know they won't do something as stupid as that (or I'd hope not anyway), but according to your argument it's optional and we should shut up and accept it.

[whiskeybravo]

Glamour is big for some people, sure. I guess I'm just your average guy that doesn't particular care about stuff like that, so maybe that's why I feel the way I do. I look at the mogstation and don't see anything that's worth spending real money on.

PS. Could any form of petition of a very real issue not be considering fear mongering? I hate to compare it to real world issues, but I'll do so anyway. Net Neutrality is a big thing was/is a rather large issue, people were spreading the potential issues ("fearmongering", as you put it) of it changing to a more closed system, and that caused hundreds of thousands to voice their dislike for the system and get it stopped even though it seems to be pop up again every few months. Should we shut up and accept it because we're creating fear? No, it's reasonable to fear such a system because of it's potential, previously proven examples.

I don't know much about the context of this particular issue, but yes by definition that could be considered fear-mongering. I think an important distinction to make is who is involved. EA has certainly went to town with cash shops, they wouldn't have any problem charging us $15 to boost to level 60. I haven't played many Blizzard games but I'll assume they did too based on the discussions. Are there any Square Enix games that offer that (excluding mobile)? I'm genuinely not sure, I haven't played every SE game. I do know that no other Final Fantasy game has offered those kind of shortcuts though. So, precedent is a big part of determining whether there should be legitimate concern or whether it should just be viewed as a fear tactic to get people worried about something that is less likely to happen. Fear-mongering was maybe too strong of a word to use, but that's just what comes to mind when I see people claiming things that (at least as far as I can tell) will probably never happen.

[Jatoi]

One would think they make a decent amount off of fantasias and even the dyes, now. It all adds up.

The NPC outfits were silly as hell and I don't see much of a point to the mounts though but hey