Allow use of all learned skills (at lower efficiency) if level synched...

[Zari]

A lot of Scholars have tunnel vision, forgetting that Selene exists or that she can remove status effects. I know I did when I was first leveling Scholar. You get into a habit of leaning on Eos, and forget that Selene brings other things to the table. Eos let's you double up as DPS which you're kind of used to coming from Arcanist.

Yeah I'm a SCH main and I never touch Eos unless I'm in an 8-man with another SCH using Selene. I never really find much need for Eos' extra healing and I still have a ton of time to DPS when playing fine. I think a lot of SCH just see that Eos has a lot of healing power (even if unneccessary for a good Sch in most situations) and dont even think about what Selene can do

[Ashkendor]

Then use your fairy?? Not sure if serious.

A lot of Scholars have tunnel vision, forgetting that Selene exists or that she can remove status effects. I know I did when I was first leveling Scholar. You get into a habit of leaning on Eos, and forget that Selene brings other things to the table. Eos let's you double up as DPS which you're kind of used to coming from Arcanist.

To be fair, Fey Caress was just put in with 3.0 so people that leveled SCH before that had the issue with Leeches.

Not to mention the cooldown on it.

Yeah I'm a SCH main and I never touch Eos unless I'm in an 8-man with another SCH using Selene. I never really find much need for Eos' extra healing and I still have a ton of time to DPS when playing fine. I think a lot of SCH just see that Eos has a lot of healing power (even if unneccessary for a good Sch in most situations) and dont even think about what Selene can do

For some reason, to this day I prefer Eos (even though I think Selene is prettier).

[Kosmos992k]

To be fair, Fey Caress was just put in with 3.0 so people that leveled SCH before that had the issue with Leeches.

Not to mention the cooldown on it.

It hits multiple plyers at one though, doesn't it? Offsetting the cooldown

[Ashkendor]

It hits multiple plyers at one though, doesn't it? Offsetting the cooldown

What difference does that make if the mob keeps applying the debuff? Good examples are the CC worm and the dragon in Brayflox.

I'd hope that you're not gonna just wait till everyone in the party has the debuff ticking to remove it.

[Kosmos992k]

What difference does that make if the mob keeps applying the debuff? Good examples are the CC worm and the dragon in Brayflox.

I'd hope that you're not gonna just wait till everyone in the party has the debuff ticking to remove it.

Huh? How do you get to that from what I posted?

[MeiUshu]

there is no issues without leeches...you can use instead Adlo, it nullifies the poisonous effect , even against teh last boss in Bray NM you use that one you dont need leech at all and does an excellent job up 4 stacks depending on which tank is affected mostly.

At later stage of course is another story

BTW I am totally against this idea, people want fast runs with all the advantage and just gain tokens to go faster. You want a lower roulette you go with it and with the disadvantage to go back to be a beginner.

[Serilda]

Also against this. If someone only levels with roulettes and goes all the way to 60 in Sastasha, that's their choice. Giving them all of the skills still won't force them to actually read the tooltips and try them out at a fraction of their intended potency, and as soon as you make them worth using in the lower syncs you destroy the balance for actual new players i.e. the group of people that roulettes exist to help in the first place. If I was playing my level 60 BLM in levelling roulette for some reason I'd have a choice of using my lower level rotations or the Enochian/Fire IV one. The latter is significantly harder to keep up at my latency level and yet it would have to do similar or identical damage to the old easy rotations or the balance would be ruined. Who would bother, if they couldn't even be bothered to play harder content when levelling to begin with?

The only case I could see it working for is spells which are direct replacements (e.g. some of the direct damage spells) as it's mildly inconvenient to have to use a different button when synced down. This still wouldn't help novices learn their jobs properly, though. I know exactly the kind of player you mean; someone who only uses their core set of spells and probably doesn't have situational (or hard to use) abilities bound at all, but I strongly doubt they're going to be pushed to figure out how to play just because the tools are made available.

Personally I'd rather levelling roulette was less of a go-to thing in the first place. I know people who went all the way to level 60 doing nothing else and there's a brutal learning curve at the end when they join us for harder content.

[Gunspec]

I don't know about you guys, but I LOVE in leveling roulette when I have to reset my bars as a healer to make sure that my basic attack spell is actually available. Nothing like taking 5 seconds to swap my suddenly useless stone 3 skill to stone 1 for a single dungeon, or making sure that my Malefic 2 spell isn't keybound as my basic attack since that spell is only available in 4 out of 17 leveling dungeons. How about those random fates you stop to help with, only to realize your keys aren't bound for that level, and you have to fiddle with your ability page to find the appropriate attack?

Oh, and who doesn't love having a warrior TP starved in level 15-27 dungeons because you no longer have access to invigorate (marauder only) yet you also don't have access to the 3-hit combo (level 30 and up) that was designed to conserve your TP?

My favorite? Only having access to one cross class skill in Satasha and Tam-tara as a level 30+ job, while you had access to multiple cross class skills when you were there the first time. I had the most lovely satasha run today with 3 newbies who wouldn't tank or deal damage properly, so I was doing all 3 roles as an astro with only cleric stance. I certainly couldn't have used the protect and swiftcast skills at all.

[Reinha]

^ Are you using a controller? Cause I have no problems fitting every spell on my bar as a WHM or AST with the KB/M setup. It's easy to bind everything to an MMO mouse but even without one you can just drag and drop the correct damage spell and heal in a keybound slot in less than 5 seconds as long as you have them all somewhere on the action bar. Not a big issue.

I think people are forgetting the reason behind having leveling roulette in the first place: helping noobs to get story dungeons done. Why can't we queue as a premade? Because then there's a chance that people queuing for specific have to wait longer to be matched with the right roles. Why do our gear and level get synched? So we don't have an unfair advantage over someone who meets the minimum requirements. Why do our abilities get locked? Otherwise we would have access to more utility than low level players and power scaling would be a nightmare to balance.

Things like Medica II, tank stances, Holy, Foe Requiem, Huton, Deathflare and Clemency would be ridiculously overpowered because such abilities are not available to people at low levels. Let's have an example, Deathflare. At level 15, the biggest aoe available to a damage dealer is 50 potency/target. Deathflare is 400. In order to keep things balanced with new players and to not change the level 60 rotation, all spell potencies must be 8 times lower for a max level SMN. Imagine tickling mobs with a 10 potency Ruin or a (total of) 30 potency Bio whilst trying to build up Aetherflow. Not fun. Tank stance could be balanced by increasing damage taken for level synched players, in which case they either have to stay in tank stance and have weaker attacks or stay out of tank stance and take way more damage than a leveling tank. And spells like Medica II can't be balanced at all because aoe heals do not exist at low levels.

As you can see, it's impossible to balance high level and low level abilities without changing how they work (and changing how they work would make this whole request pointless). Leaving the abilities as they are without scaling is not a decent option either because it ruins dungeons for new players and those who enjoy the gradual leveling process on alts. Believe it or not but low level dungeons are not there just to feed veterans easy exp and tomes. They are there to teach people the basics and having the dungeon steamrolled by high level players wouldn't help with that at all. You think players are bad now, trust me they could be a lot worse.

[seida]

^ Are you using a controller? Cause I have no problems fitting every spell on my bar as a WHM or AST with the KB/M setup. It's easy to bind everything to an MMO mouse but even without one you can just drag and drop the correct damage spell and heal in a keybound slot in less than 5 seconds as long as you have them all somewhere on the action bar. Not a big issue.

Unless you insist on trying to force your skills to fit on one hotbar, it's absolutely not an issue on controller, either. Deleting low level spells is just silly, put them on the expanded controls if you want them out the way but accessible.