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    FFXIV 2.0 ... or FAILURE 2.0?

    I undestand money is needed to continue what must be a very expensive revamp of fundamental game systems. However, I do not think that FFXIV is ready to ask customers for their money, given the current state of the game. The biggest problem here is that the game experience / functionality is simply not ready for primetime.

    CASE IN POINT:
    • After yesterday's patch, I hopped on and got ready to do a Darkhold run.
    • Showed up with full PT, tried to enter instance. Upon entry, was given the old (40000)4 error. My char was now stuck inside Darkhold, unplayable. For the 3rd time since starting FFXIV, a patch had corrupted my game data.
    • Attempted to uninstall with a "Catastropic Failure" prohibiting that.
    • Manually deleted the FFXIV / My Games directories.
    • Tried to reinstall - seemed OK
    • After complete reinstall, redownload of patch data, the updater failed at the last moment with 20564 (another indication of a corrupted patch attempt).
    • Tried to uninstall. Uninstall failed again.
    • This time, I could not reinstall or uninstall, I was stuck, with no recourse or path to take to try to get the game working again.

    Because I am an IT person, I manually searched the registry, deleted all the keys referencing FFXIV, and successfully reinstalled. The average user, however, cannot be expected to this.

    Fundamental features like an updater MUST work before expecting average users to pay money for a game. Therefore, they can try to take people's money, but I predict FAILURE 2.0 instead of FFXIV 2.0.
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    Last edited by Reverser; 10-15-2011 at 03:56 AM.

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    Most people don't know what's going on at SE but any software engineer can tell you that SE is developing FFXIV under a software engineering model that purposely throws out a bunch of crappy version so they can get customer feedback and build another crappy version from the feedback untill they decide to release a final version. Customers feedback, even the ones that troll, plays a very improtant role because the feedback is key to reducing the chance of overall failure. I mean that was the point of the software engineering model anyway, to reduce overall failure.

    But with that said, I don't beleive in charging my customers for a product that is incomplete unless I despretly needed the funds. The final problem now is that FFXIV has lost so many customers that all thats left playing FFXIV are hardcore fans so you're not getting feedback from the full spectrum of customers. Another reason FFXIV should remain free because that money barrier is going to get in the way of rebuilding the lost trust, or they can just risk investing money in advertisements lol.
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    i believe we're being charge for the content that is being brought for 1.21 (jobs and more content), 1.22 and 1.23, afterwards when 2.0 launch we'll be getting another 1 free month.
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    Fundamental features like an updater MUST work
    And it obviously does, otherwise nobody would be able to play.

    If it doesn't work for someone, it's a sub fee lost for SE. It's pretty basic logic right there.

    It's the customer's choice.
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    Good job on bringin up a thread almost a month old wtfail, /clap.
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    Last edited by Biti; 11-13-2011 at 03:56 PM.

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    Troll thread
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    it must be a troll thread your in it.
    there is so much that needs fixed in this game, and it pisses people off to hear about it, keep up the good work OP
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    my house is in rebuilding stage. this house is very small and in unpopular area.
    the roof, floors, plumbing, and gas are all broke.
    my landlord fired the original crew. for not completing the job on time
    the new crew comes in and makes all kinds of promises, and shows me pics.
    now for next year i have to wait for them to finish the job.
    should I move to a more popular, bigger house rent it for same price?
    or stay in the part of my house that is not being rebuilt. but still pay same rent as others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by irongripz View Post
    it must be a troll thread your in it.
    there is so much that needs fixed in this game, and it pisses people off to hear about it, keep up the good work OP
    Im sorry but callling 2.0 a failure in point blank when its not even here yet, is trolling.

    it must be a troll thread your in it.
    I could say the same thing back, since people do that all the time here :/.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Starlord View Post
    Im sorry but callling 2.0 a failure in point blank when its not even here yet, is trolling.



    I could say the same thing back, since people do that all the time here :/.
    it was a prediction not a statement, you look at every thread like these your on the front page with nothing useful to say. i guess having a different opinion than yours = trolling? yea i can do that to. learn what a troll is, or better yet just look in the mirror.
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    my house is in rebuilding stage. this house is very small and in unpopular area.
    the roof, floors, plumbing, and gas are all broke.
    my landlord fired the original crew. for not completing the job on time
    the new crew comes in and makes all kinds of promises, and shows me pics.
    now for next year i have to wait for them to finish the job.
    should I move to a more popular, bigger house rent it for same price?
    or stay in the part of my house that is not being rebuilt. but still pay same rent as others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by irongripz View Post
    it was a prediction not a statement, you look at every thread like these your on the front page with nothing useful to say. i guess having a different opinion than yours = trolling? yea i can do that to. learn what a troll is, or better yet just look in the mirror.
    Why would I need to look in a mirror if i'm looking at one?

    Edit: What the OP said within his post was fine for him to say, ( He had a problem couldn't fix it blah blah, though this post really should be in the Technical forums, but that's neither here nor there). What I do have an issue with is that, He's calling the game itself a fail weather it be now or 2.0. Predication/statement which ever words you like to call it. Saying " 2.0 is going to fail" is outright a trolling statement.
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    Last edited by Starlord; 11-14-2011 at 10:46 AM.

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