HARD four-man dungeons

[Thayos]

I really hope the XIV team absorbs some of the XI devs in the coming months. While I really love how Yoshi-P pulled this game from the ashes, the game desperately needs some new ideas if it's going to stay relevant.

For the average player, XIV just feels like a big to-do checklist with no real goal -- and that's because most players don't have any real chance at finishing the ultimate 8-man raids, because most people can't commit to statics.

That's why we need alternative forms of endgame, and not just a big area that serves as a loot pinata. Players need GOALS, not just things to cross off a checklist each day. That's why the relic weapon questline was so dang popular, even though it was a total grindfest.

[enthauptet]

It sounds good at first, but look what they did give us: the ability to run instances at minimum item level. What happens? People run at lv60 unsynced.. Lol. I've really been wanting to do some throwback coils at min item level.

If there was a 4-man raid I would definitely check it out. I do like the 8-mans though, wouldn't want them to get rid of them, it allows them to design more intricate tank/healer/dps mechanics

Yeah I agree, cutting content is never the answer. I know your pain on the min ilvl, I'd like to give it a shot too (I want to do savage scob too) but like even with unsync runs nobody wants to do it and you can be careless with mechanics unsync... I'll keep you in mind if I want to switch server though lol!

[Thayos]

It's not just about minimum iLevel though... I think generally, people hate redoing content they've already done before, even if it is easy. I'm still stuck on the last two turns of coil, because everyone in my FC has completely lost interest in helping with that. Being able to go backward is a nice option, but it's more of a novelty than anything else. Most people want to spend their time pursuing new goals while working toward progression.

[MaethusXion]

Bah, habits. People I played with always called them bees for whatever reason.

Yeah. Had one guy actually argue with me once about it(I got a habit of correcting people whenever they called them bees in the dungeon itself). Basically boiled down to "The open world mobs call them gnats, bees are those clusters of about 50 10-pixel mobs in a mass"

[LandricFrey]

Coordinating the schedules of four people is just massively easier than eight.

It really shouldn't need to be said, but thanks for saying it anyway. This is the main reason why my FC and I don't see much for endgame content.