Thread: Thoughs on removing cross class skills and adding 5 new skills for each job come 4.0?

But some skills are must have for other classes. Skills like Cleric Stance, Provoke, Blood for Blood, Swiftcast. Without those skills, we are all going to lose alot of dps and utility. Have you leveled a AST (non DF) without Cleric Stance? Its helll, like Resto Druid way back in Vanila WoW.

Why not instead roll certain abilities in with others, Heavy thrust, windbite/poison arrow, or hell really anything that gives a beneficiary buff rolling into a combo starter or another ability.

Does feel like many classes have too many skills. I thought 2.0 had a good amount, 3.0 just has way too many buttons that need to be pressed.

Originally Posted by Laerune

But some skills are must have for other classes. Skills like Cleric Stance, Provoke, Blood for Blood, Swiftcast. Without those skills, we are all going to lose alot of dps and utility. Have you leveled a AST (non DF) without Cleric Stance? Its helll, like Resto Druid way back in Vanila WoW.

and if you had read my opening post you might have seen i made note of that by both by keeping cross class skills for levels 1-60 as to keep that problem from happening while replacing cross class skills one skillslot at a time and also as ive said cleric stance in itself isnt needed a variant of it perhaps but not the skill itself and if settling for one or 2 skills that function similar to what skills jobs currently have means we also get 3 or 4 more that replace cross class skills that arent very useful but we take them to fill that slot then i dont see it as a bad thing at all.

Originally Posted by cold52

no it wouldnt as if you read what i said youd understand i was saying the idea was to replace the crossclass skills slots one by one as you level so 62 new skill 4 crossclass slots 64 new skill 3 cross class slots and ect.

At this point I'd have to ask...What's the point, then? Nothing would be added and there wouldn't really be any less skill bloat, because you are just swapping one skill out for another. Also, all healers would end up with some form of double Swiftcast up until 70, because I doubt we are that stupid.

As a MCH, I already don't have a self heal, barely a defensive buff, or offensive one for that matter. Please don't take what little I have away from me unless you'll offer something better.

cross class skills right now are pretty garbage. There's a pretty big lack of any actual 'customization' - there's very few skill variances.


All dragoons will have:
Second Wind
Internal Release
Mercy Stroke

All monks will have:
Blood for Blood
Mercy Stroke
Invigorate

All Ninjas will have:
Second Wind
Invigorate
Blood for Blood
Internal Release

There basically is no 'choice' on these skills. These are the skills you need to be an effective DPS. Other things - such as Keen flurry / Foresight / Mantra / Featherfoot are optional for the last spots and offer.... questionable customization. Keen flurry's probably the most useful since a parry of a physical attack will give you 20% reduction garunteed, compared to raising DEF which doesn't feel like doing anything and you'll never dodge an attack (featherfoot) in meaningful content (raids.)

...So he's right. There's really no point to crossclasses in their current iteration. I kinda wish there was a better variety. Choosing between a CRIT bonus skill and a DAMAGE BONUS skill would be awesome. Choosing between Magic Mitigation and Physical Mitigation for a fight would be awesome. Choosing between a Instant Self-heal or a self-heal over time would be awesome. Heck, choosing a type of party utility to bring - a +CRIT bonus, a +Damage bonus, or a +MP/TP regeneration skill for the party would be awesome too.

The crossclass system had a lot of potential. But you wind up pigeonholed in just about every job. There's really no choice most the time.

Originally Posted by Ilenya

At this point I'd have to ask...What's the point, then? Nothing would be added and there wouldn't really be any less skill bloat, because you are just swapping one skill out for another. Also, all healers would end up with some form of double Swiftcast up until 70, because I doubt we are that stupid.

well for starters the point is that.

A. any more buttons to press then jobs do now and it will simply be too much
B. currently many cross class skills arent really that useful but a small number are vital to the job
C. changes to the games combat wont likely see any major changes until sometime after 4.0 sometime after they stop supporting ps3

in which case id say its a simple solution for now which also has the benefit of adding several additional skills that could be better tuned for each job and help diversify jobs that currently are a bit to similar. so again if getting 1 or 2 skills on each job that are just a variant of current skills also means getting new skills that can be better tuned for each individual job then yes i see that as a very good reason.

and to your argument about one healer or another having 2 swiftcasts they could just ensure your only able to use one of said skill and forces both on cooldown or just accept that for that small window while leveling that isnt end game they would be able to swift cast more then one spell.

My hope in 4.0 is that Job skills (not class ones) get the treatment skills get in some mmo's the one in mind is ESO. Where you will take the base skill and split it into two variations. Picking a variation causes it to replace the other.

Example:
Spirits Within - Does damage based on user's current HP
- Angry Spirits - Does twice the damage of user's current HP
- Soul Within - Damage is returned as MP, increased arggo (less damage then SW)

Maybe not that exactly but you get what I am saying.

Originally Posted by Eidolon

cross class skills right now are pretty garbage. There's a pretty big lack of any actual 'customization' - there's very few skill variances.


All dragoons will have:
Second Wind
Internal Release
Mercy Stroke

I've never crossed Mercy Stroke as a Dragoon or Lancer for even a single second. My DRG Cross Skills are, Second Wind, Internal Release, Fracture, Foresight, and Bloodbath. Mercy Stroke is to situational and far less effective than anything else in our arsenal. Though if we had a Sixth Slot I'd consider crossing Mantra for when no MNK was present.