Absolute frustration at not being able to see my own DPS (ps4)

[skyfox]

Hi Tiger!

Good to see you on Forum too!

Choco

[Kazumac]

You forgot a scenario:

You enter an instance, perform adequately and are then 'mysteriously' kicked because someone doesn't like your numbers. This becomes the standard procedure of all those 'git gud' folk out there. [After all, if you can't 'git gud' why should you be tolerated in the instance?] It's not reportable, because nothing has been said. It becomes so prevalent that subscriptions start dropping rapidly because the folks who get constantly kicked go find another MMO to play. Next thing you know you wake up in a hospital bed with the emergency sirens going off. Walk outside to find the world being devoured by a zombie horde that leads to a nuclear apocalypse. Your only choice to sustain life is to lose your humanity to avoid the marauding post apocalyptic biker gangs while you wander the desert. Finally arriving at the gates of Mordor where you witness Sauron's hordes of orcs wipe the last vestiges of humanity off the planet. It dawns on you "If only parsers weren't added to FFXIV this could all have been prevented."

Geez hyperbole much man? I know you ant-parser people are serious but...

[Odett]

Today, for the first time in my life, I saw Faust enrage in Alex 1 NORMAL MODE. Please tell me again how DPS doesn't matter.

[AskaRay]

Today, for the first time in my life, I saw Faust enrage in Alex 1 NORMAL MODE. Please tell me again how DPS doesn't matter.

Parsers would not help something that bad.
Attitude adjustment counseling group would.

[Odett]

Parsers would not help something that bad.
Attitude adjustment counseling group would.

The point of that comment was more to address people in this thread that have said that DPS should be free to play as they want without being held accountable for their numbers, and think that on-par DPS should not be an expectation of their role; this is only evident when the 3 other DPS are playing as poorly as they are in content outside of Savage or Thordan. I guess I should have made that a bit clearer.

[Joeking]

Let it go, Let it go.
Conceal, Don't Deal Damage, Don't Let it Show.
Low DPS never bothered me anyway.

SE won't implement this. Fellow Ice Mages! Let us rejoice!

[MeiUshu]

Let's break the effects of implementing a parser into the game into some cases:

An @sshole sees your DPS after the first pull, reams you for not pulling your weight then vote kicks you. Harassment. Report. .

this part is not something happening and that SE wants to deal with, this part is the problem and is happening more then not. People dont like you, they kick you, no matter if your numbers are good or bad and nothing that you can say will have SE do anything, as they have stated more then many times, they dont interfere in matter that concerns purely players and playstyle.Kicking oyu without saying anything is not something that will have any consequences on who has kicked you by SE the report is not oging to be followed up at all. Also, someone will always have lower numbers then someone else...there has to be a first and a last right ? and people immaturity in this game is so high, incredibly high, that the one with least numbers even if good numbers will be kicked and it WILL happen, it already is, for just being the last in the chain of the parser numbers, no matter if the numbers are good.

Saying it never happens or is not something done is wrong, it happens daily and makes this place a toxic place with toxic players. what you say is in the absolute ideal IF there was some consequences on abuse of the tool...today there isnt. so having a parser in-game will result in more frustrated people, more insults and stupidities and ultimately hurt the game.

[Toguro]

Add parsers and FFXIV will be just like DC Universe Online's community.

Yoshida says he doesn't think the community could handle an in-game parser responsibly. Maybe he played DCUO.

I for one, know how destructive it can be in the hands of PS4 players at least. I played DCUO on PS4 and it's exact, on point parser didn't help anyone get better.

Monkey-see-monkey-do prevailed in the end.

-If your damage was low(or a little low) you were kicked,
-If your damage was high(Higher than a self-proclaimed pro), you were kicked
-If you can't do 1.2mil dmg, you were not allowed in groups
-If you did too much damage, you were playing the FotM(Flavor Of The Month) power/class and it got nerfed and you also sucked for not using weaker ones
-If you were using the FotM power/class, and didn't do a lot of damage, you were harassed and then kicked for not doing enough damage
-If you didn't heal enough, you were kicked
-If someone thought you didn't have the "ideal" mainstream loadout or do the "ideal" mainstream rotation, you were kicked because you couldn't POSSIBLY do damage that way
^-If you did manage to stay in and do the most damage you were cheating and did not receive credit

I can go on.
All of these start with harassment by the players. PS4 players.

DCUO also has a community that cannot answer a simple question from a player without saying something stupid or useless. PS4 players.

I am on PS4 and based off of my observations is that the worst players of all time(Bad players, fools, and <insertname>'s) are most frequently... other PSN-users.. sadly.

[Ryel]

Saying it never happens or is not something done is wrong, it happens daily and makes this place a toxic place with toxic players. what you say is in the absolute ideal IF there was some consequences on abuse of the tool...today there isnt. so having a parser in-game will result in more frustrated people, more insults and stupidities and ultimately hurt the game.

Except this is not the case and has been proven to be not the case for the past decade.

Nobody is saying that there aren't players who will be harassed, just like there are already players who are being harassed now for non-parser related issues. Historically the issues of parser related abuse and harassment however are shown to be negligible in number compared to the rest of the playerbase and this can be seen over a decades worth of MMO titles that have allowed public parser usage.

There is a reason parsing and feeback tools keep being developed for MMOs, if the issues outweighed the benefits players would just stop developing them.

What people are saying however is that the rules against harassment and GM actions are sufficient enough to handle this, just like they are now.

SE doesn't have to worry about a separate division of parser harassment or some such because harassment is harassment regardless of the cause, a GM will review the situation like they do now, take action and move on.

If a player is finding themselves on the recieving end of harassment for their performance in the majority of the groups they end up with I promise you the parser or the other players are not the root of the problem.

What is more likely is that players who are not performing as well as they think they are will now have tangible and visible results shown through parser usage.

What some players will respond with will be something along the lines of: "But i've cleared X content! I know how to play my job!"

However the reality would be that the player didn't clear the content through their own merits but in actuality was in a party that cleared the content for them because they weren't performing at the level of the content at the time.

I am on PS4 and based off of my observations is that the worst players of all time(Bad players, fools, and <insertname>'s) are most frequently... other PSN-users.. sadly.

This still sounds like it was exclusive to the console playerbase, playing on the PC servers my experiences were entirely the opposite but like i've said before it's entirely possible that the console players who weren't used to MMO parse culture (as there aren't many MMOs that get a console release) had to go through a bit of an adjustment phase as they got use to the concept.

When it comes to FFXIV the console and PC users play on the same servers so those issues aren't likely to happen.

[Toguro]

There are a lot of PC players but there are also A LOT of PSN guys coming along. And that is my main problem. Not with parsers, but the people they will be given to.

I'm guilty of the mentality too. When I saw people only doing 20k in a high-level instance, I was like "Wow lol. This guy SUUCKS! How is he only doing this much damage!?" in my head. I never did go in chat with those thoughts though at least.