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    Quote Originally Posted by zosia View Post
    It's about context and leveling the playing field.
    All well and good, but that's not what the original post is asking for. All they want is a personal parser, something neither side should have a problem with. I know the ant-parser side doesn't because all we ask is to leave us out of it, you know, "Don't ask, don't tell." A personal parser should be the epitome of 'having your cake and really eating it, too'. But this doesn't seem to satisfy the pro-parser crowd at all, and it's baffling. Anti-parsers aren't going to become irrate if someone asks if they are using a personal parser, they will likely calmly say they don't and the discussion, if everyone is level-headed about it, ends at that. And those who are running personal parsers can chime in and share! Everyone gets their way. The only argument against parsers being personal that I can see is if you want to drag others into it, willingly or not. I get the feeling the original post wants to avoid that, to which I say, "Good on you."
    Quote Originally Posted by Kezy_Kaatapoh View Post
    This has already been answered.
    Yes, repeatedly, by me and several others. Communicate! Use your words! This is a community, an MMO, not a single-player game!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilraen View Post
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    This has already been answered. Does a personal parser help some things? Yes. But it doesn't help a lot of things that people do want, namely context to how well you're doing, or assistance in a raid situation of identifying problems. These are real things that only benefit from party wide parsers. You can ignore that if you want, but it's completely reasonable.

    To be fair, I'm perfectly ok with making a party wide parser only being viewable in PF content, aka Savage and EX Primals, and making everything else only have a personal parser, but there needs to be a party wide parser of some form in that content.

    This topic should have ended after Zosia's last comment. There really is nothing more to be said without missing points or arguing semantics.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gilraen View Post
    Yes, repeatedly, by me and several others. Communicate! Use your words! This is a community, an MMO, not a single-player game!
    I have communicated. You didn't actually make an argument though :P At least not one that hasn't already been answered. You actually didn't even respond to any of the things in my post that directly responded to your question and concern.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kezy_Kaatapoh View Post
    To be fair, I'm perfectly ok with making a party wide parser only being viewable in PF content, aka Savage and EX Primals, and making everything else only have a personal parser, but there needs to be a party wide parser of some form in that content.
    I hope this is a suggestion everyone could agree with? Just tie it to premade party content so that it's available for all content where it's actually needed and no one who doesn't want to use it has to use it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilraen View Post
    All well and good, but that's not what the original post is asking for. All they want is a personal parser, something neither side should have a problem with. I know the ant-parser side doesn't because all we ask is to leave us outof it, you know, "Don't ask, don't tell." A personal parser should be the epitome of 'having your cake and really eating it, too'. But this doesn't seem to satisfy the pro-parser crowd at all, and it's baffling. Anti-parsers aren't going to become irrate if someone asks if they are using a personal parser, they will likely calmly say they don't and the discussion, if everyone is level-headed about it, ends at that. And those who are running personal parsers can chime in and share! Everyone gets their way. The only argument against parsers being personal that I can see is if you want to drag others into it, willingly or not. I get the feeling the original post wants to avoid that, to which I say, "Good on you."
    Except it's not. Context context context! You have no idea how well you are doing unless you can compare and contrast with others.

    Also, you have not addressed blacklist and report. Why is that not good enough? Especially when we can see how it works on live servers. Harassing a player with a parser gets you a one way ticket to the ban hammer festival. Why do you think that would be any different with a parser provided by SE to all players?
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