Absolute frustration at not being able to see my own DPS (ps4)

[Elazu]

I take it the question of why tanks and healers should be the only ones with responsibilities and dps players should get a free carry just for playing a dps job has still not been answered by the anti-parser crowd?

[Odett]

I take it the question of why tanks and healers should be the only ones with responsibilities and dps players should get a free carry just for playing a dps job has still not been answered by the anti-parser crowd?

Of course it hasn't. This question is always conveniently ignored. I quoted someone some pages ago saying that if DPS checks aren't being cleared, then tanks and healers should DPS harder as an alternative to DPS players being able to look at their parse numbers.

[Azazua_azura]

Of course it hasn't. This question is always conveniently ignored.

The question is baited thats why, anyone can and will see it being baited. A better question is, why should all players in all content be subjected to play at the top tier level when maybe they don't want to? Maybe people are satified with beating content and not how big their number was? Blanketing all players to play as a top tier raider in all content is what slowly killed ff11 for some. Every player was told to gear swap or quit the game no matter the content. Even leveling people did it before GoV tomes.

I think the game is fine as it is, keep parser use to top tier players in preformed groups for toip tier raid content, and let those who don't wish to play at that level (or can't due to personal things) be abler to play in a relaxed enviroment.

[Elazu]

The question is baited thats why, anyone can and will see it being baited. A better question is, why should all players in all content be subjected to play at the top tier level when maybe they don't want to? Maybe people are satified with beating content and not how big their number was? Blanketing all players to play as a top tier raider in all content is what slowly killed ff11 for some.

First of all, nobody expects people to play like top tier raiders, even though you might want people to believe this to further your terrible agenda. People are not wrong to expect more than first coil dps from people at level 60, i200. If people don't want to carry their own weight, they shouldn't do group content, it's as simple as that. The other 3/7/23 players are not there to carry you, just because you can't be bothered to do more than auto-attacking.

Not to mention that tanks and healers get kicked all the time for not performing their job, but for some unexplained reason dps players need a free pass and can do as terrible as they want, because it's their 15 bucks a month. Kick them for not doing their job (no, doing i80 dps at lvl60 is NOT doing your job) and you're a dirty elitist. Kick a tank or healer for not doing their job and you are the savior.

Ridiculous.

[zosia]

The question is baited thats why, anyone can and will see it being baited. A better question is, why should all players in all content besubjected to play at the top tier level when maybe they don't want to? Maybe people are satified with beating content and not how big their number was? Blanketing all players to play as a top tier raider in all content is what slowly killed ff11 for some. Every player was told to gear swap or quit the game no matter the content. Even leveling people did it before GoV tomes.

I think the game is fine as it is, keep parser use to top tier players in preformed groups for toip tier raid content, and let those who don't wish to play at that level (or can't due to personal things) be abler to play in a relaxed enviroment.

You're making a false equivilancy with that question.

Parser =/= automatic highest level of gameplay. Anyone can improve from the cutting edge players to the fresh level 60 newb. The newbie improving with a parser does not mean they are playing at the highest level. It merely means that they are playing at an improved level.

I bolded that because the OP does not want to play like you. They want a parser so they can improve while playing on a ps4. You are just supporting an intentional handicap to all ps3 and ps4 players. How selfish of you.

[Kazumac]

keep parser use to top tier players in preformed groups for toip tier raid content, and let those who don't wish to play at that level (or can't due to personal things) be abler to play in a relaxed enviroment.

No thank you. I'm an officer of a very casual FC (go look at my raiding track record, I'm not a raider in disguise) but we still want to be able to quantifiably know how we are doing. Many us us are on PS4 and don't have the option. We don't tell people they need to parse or anything like that but the genuine desire to be better and frustration of not being able to do so on their own is real for my members. You don't want to use one fine, others don't, fine too. But do not hold the rest of us back please and thx. Just because we don't savage doesn't mean we are ok with the state of things.

- Just a friendly FC officer looking out for the casuals who want to be better too

[Odett]

The question is baited thats why, anyone can and will see it being baited. A better question is, why should all players in all content be subjected to play at the top tier level when maybe they don't want to? Maybe people are satified with beating content and not how big their number was? Blanketing all players to play as a top tier raider in all content is what slowly killed ff11 for some. Every player was told to gear swap or quit the game no matter the content. Even leveling people did it before GoV tomes.

I think the game is fine as it is, keep parser use to top tier players in preformed groups for toip tier raid content, and let those who don't wish to play at that level (or can't due to personal things) be abler to play in a relaxed enviroment.

You're talking about baited questions, yet you're going to extremes yourself. Why does it have to be "play mediocre" or "min-max"? Many players have the notion that performing your correct rotation is min-maxing, but it goes so much beyond that. Playing your correct rotation is the least you should do as a DPS, min-maxing and playing at top level is much more involving.

A better question is, why should all players in all content be subjected to play at the top tier level when maybe they don't want to? Maybe people are satified with beating content and not how big their number was

Because you keep ignoring that some content in this game DOES require players to play at the top tier level. If they don't want to, then they should not be doing this content unless they're paying for a carry because they are a hindrance to their group, and that sounds pretty selfish to me. Some content requires big numbers to get past certain phases, and players who are not playing at that level should be held accountable for it, but again, you keep ignoring this and insist that DPS players playing as they should is a luxury rather than an expectation.

Fact is, if healers and tanks played at the level that many DPS players in this game do, tanks wouldn't be able to hold enmity, causing wipes, and healers would not be able to react in time to keep party members alive. Whenever wipes like these happen, everyone is quick to point the finger at a tank or healer, but god forbid that you tell a DPS player that their numbers are low and are getting in the way of a clear. The job of a tank is to keep enmity and use their cooldowns, healers must keep the group alive, and if they are comfortable, they can add to the damage being done, and DPS are expected to DPS, not be absolved of any responsibilities, and it's a double standard if you think otherwise.

Furthermore, even in easy content like A1N, the only reason that the DPS who pulls extremely low numbers is clearing the fight is because the other 3 members are making up for their lack of damage.

[Kazumac]

Furthermore, even in easy content like A1N, the only reason that the DPS who pulls extremely low numbers is clearing the fight is because the other 3 members are making up for their lack of damage.

This is so much more prevalent than most realize. Also if you've been in the perfect storm of below average dps'ers across the board that you hit A1N enrage, it is frustrating. You can't have a fully open conversation about how to improve where everyone is on equal footing in terms of knowledge. With people who care enough to perform mechanics correctly but just need some help in the dps department, it is a frustrating situation that just doesn't have to exist.

[Ghishlain]

Because not a single person was able to calculate 1.1x150 and see that it is bigger than 150. Or calculating 40x6 + 150 and see that it is bigger than 320. Or seeing that 150 + 100 is bigger than 150 + 0.

I mean, that's, like...rocket science!

I'm surprised a parser could even be programmed, considering it requires knowledge of basic addition and division. Truly, a math wizard must have done it. No regular mortal can possibly possess such knowledge.

Could you optimize the DRG rotation for me please? It has two DoTs, one that is part of a combo, while maintaining both Heavy Thrust, Blood of the Dragon, and Disembowel in a four part combo. I feel like I should try to extend out my rotation some because if I alternate TT and ID combo I start to clip my DoTs resulting in a potency loss though it doesn't quite match up with my Heavy Thrust Timer. Oh, also when should I be using Blood for Blood?

All these questions can be answered with hard math, but it's certainly much more complicated to optimize that then you're putting forth in your extremely sarcastic and belligerent response. Just an FYI.

The question is baited thats why, anyone can and will see it being baited. A better question is, why should all players in all content be subjected to play at the top tier level when maybe they don't want to? Maybe people are satified with beating content and not how big their number was? Blanketing all players to play as a top tier raider in all content is what slowly killed ff11 for some. Every player was told to gear swap or quit the game no matter the content. Even leveling people did it before GoV tomes.

I think the game is fine as it is, keep parser use to top tier players in preformed groups for toip tier raid content, and let those who don't wish to play at that level (or can't due to personal things) be abler to play in a relaxed enviroment.

If we're wiping to Minotaur in Fractal because the DPS can't kill it fast enough and we run outta baits for the Minotaur to eat and we're only using them on each super swing, who do you think is responsible? That's a DPS check there in "low tier" content and probably can be seen if a group of minimum ilvl goes in and the DPS are of low skill.

Performance should be important to everyone in every branch of play. You may not need to be "playing like a God", but being able to see your numbers and how to improve those numbers should be part of any player's thought process. If we lack the tools to gauge performance readily available, how can we expect players to improve? That's some food for thought.

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@Parser's are evil topic

Parsers are a tool for players to use. The good players will use it to improve their performance. The belligerent players will use it to inflate their ego and stroke their e-peen. Take note that the good player will still ask for advice and constructive criticism where applicable if they don't have access to a parser and the belligerent player will still be a jerk regardless if they have access to the hard numbers or not.

[NamoNanamo]

Could you optimize the DRG rotation for me please? It has two DoTs, one that is part of a combo, while maintaining both Heavy Thrust, Blood of the Dragon, and Disembowel in a four part combo. I feel like I should try to extend out my rotation some because if I alternate TT and ID combo I start to clip my DoTs resulting in a potency loss though it doesn't quite match up with my Heavy Thrust Timer. Oh, also when should I be using Blood for Blood?

All these questions can be answered with hard math, but it's certainly much more complicated to optimize that then you're putting forth in your extremely sarcastic and belligerent response. Just an FYI.

You don't even need hard math for the rotation. And if you level up your dragoon, it seems logic. The rotation isn't the problem. And it's quite easy.
The opener is far more complicated but not that complicated.
But I agree, to maximise the dps, it's much easier with a parser. But still, even without the best rotation opener, without parser, you could down Savage.

I'm pro-parser btw.