I like how some of you guys are painting the pro-parser crowd as rabid dogs who only want parsers to gloat, belittle others, and point fingers, because from my experience, it's often the player who is underperforming the most who will go off and be the first to lash out at anyone else in the party when something goes wrong, all while safely hiding through a DPS job except from the players that know their numbers.

Quote Originally Posted by Azazua_azura View Post
no offence, one person isn't a make or break. If ur doing Alex savage in a Pf group instead of with players you know/been playing with for a while thats your own fault. And communication should be forfront, not numbers. The correct way to go about it is leave and communicate see where the issue lies. parser doesn't tell you the issue just the numbers. This is what pro parser ppl don't get, they are quick to kick instead of handling the situation.
So PuGing Alex by PF due to recently leaving my static due to my new work schedule and having one player in the team who isn't doing what they should is...my fault? Whatever you may have been told, if 7 players are not strong enough to pick up the slack of an underperforming player, then yes, that is the one player's fault, and one person CAN make or break a team in instances like these.
We are all aware that communication matters, and I find it funny that you direct that towards raiders because people doing current raid content are the ones who communicate the most due to the level of coordination required to complete these fights, but in instances where mechanics are already being performed correctly, and DPS checks are not being met, then yes, seeing numbers helps with this because you get a better idea of the group-wide damage you will need in order to move forward. If my numbers are lower than everyone else's, I'll think to myself, "ok, I gotta step things up, I'll see what I'm doing and how I can correct it, or ask someone else that plays my job for advice, because I feel like I have a correct grasp on my rotation, yet I am not doing things properly." See how that helps? Parse numbers can make you realize such things, and it is then up to you, to correct them. No parsers basically leads to "we keep wiping at the same DPS check but we don't know who needs to improve because we can't see how much damage we're doing. What do?"

Quote Originally Posted by Azazua_azura View Post
The correct way to go about this type of content is first play with people you know, master each bit of the content then worry about dmg. After that communicate with your team before and after each fight to see how as a group can improve.
I wasn't aware that there was one correct way of tackling content. How much raiding have you done in this game when the fight is still relevant? I normally wouldn't ask this, but since you're insistent on teaching us the correct way to handle these fights, you must have a good amount of experience with them, no?

I don't have seven other friends who can clear clear challenging content online at all times, so I'll make a PF and find some other players. You joining a PF does not absolve you of responsibility., and does not make it my fault if we can't clear simply because one person can't carry their weight. Also, you can't really master content without DPS because may fights require a certain group DPS output before moving on to the next phase. How can you get more practice in Thordan EX in phase5+ if your group does not have the necessary DPS to move past meteors? You can't say "oh, we'll worry about numbers later" when that is the sole thing preventing you from moving forward in a fight. Again, you're being misinformed and spreading false information. High DPS is not a luxury, but often a requirement in many current endgame fights.

Quote Originally Posted by Azazua_azura View Post
@ odett and sorry dude people like you are heavily misguided on how to act and do any form of content with the "kick the <supposed> low dps person" The fact you encourage that behavior is just mind boggling. And that is the type of mindset i'm tired of seeing. The japanese players (most are ps3/ps4) have little to no issue beating this content w/o a parser, same for ff11 (which was out for a year as ps2 only in japan mind you). There is more to content that 1 person dps, and that is teamwork and communication, which from my experience what Na players lack, outside insulting each other over arbitrary numbers on a tv/computer screen.
Again, one person does have the power to make or break a team. You keep denying this and provide no argument that holds ground other than "no it's not" or saying it's somehow my fault for finding someone in PF. If one person is not carrying their weight, and they refuse to improve, what other option would you suggest other than letting them go? They are getting in the way of a clear, there is nothing that can be done about that.

I heard that Japanese players often do their homework before joining fights so you know, that's a little extra thing that separates them from most NA players. Also, if you think that top-end JP raiding groups like Lucrezia don't use parsers, you're lying to yourself.