Absolute frustration at not being able to see my own DPS (ps4)

[Colorful]

In my true personal opinion its WoW players who require 20-30 addons parser included to play something as basic as a video game, are the ones who don't know what their doing.

Are you misinformed or purposely spouting crap? I play with two addons that actually affect gameplay, and they are DBM and Recount. Surprise surprise, not 30, not 20, not 10, not 5, but 2. The other addons are user interface related, and I only use two of those, ElvUI and Storyline. There is literally no reason to be against a parser other than being afraid that your poor performance may be outed, the majority will not give a damn if you parse poorly in a dungeon, only content that actually has DPS checks.

[KarstenS]

is it that hard to read bsttle log numbers and do the math??

For fights where the numbers are needed: Yes.

Also DoT ticks are missing in the log at all. Thats the reason the parsers are a little bit inaccurate. They try to calculate the DoT damage itself. Because of RNG, there will be always a difference in numbers and crits.

[Azazua_azura]

Are you misinformed or purposely spouting crap? I play with two addons that actually affect gameplay, and they are DBM and Recount. Surprise surprise, not 30, not 20, not 10, not 5, but 2.

WoW vids say other wise lol. I watch WoW vids on occassion and see wall to wall addons, just because you 2 you are not the entire WoW community. And I'm not for or against parser I just don't like the crap attitude, and people do give a dam about leveling content and parser use. Every time I see pre casting mages I ask why, every reply was "dps", even though its being problematic. Not to mention tanks in full str gear full pulling dungeons not caring if their hp drops like a rock giving their healer wrist issues trying to keep them @ 50% hp.

And personally speaking having a high dps doesn't mean your a great player just a hard hitting 1, I rather have people master the content instead of trying to zerg it down with arbitrary numbers.

Its not always players not wanting to be outed for supposedly low dps, its the crap attitude that comes with it.


I honestly do not play with any damage numbers, i just don't care anymore. I improve just fine by watching other players, asking questions, and if able looking up a guide or just practing the content or my class. In reality DPS check is just a buzz word. Playing a game is playing a game, it don't take much to learn content or how to play.

Also please explain how people played ff11 in japan @ launch, considering it was ps2 only? This game though slower paced combat also has "dps check" fights and content.

[Ryel]

I don't fear or monger anything, even yoshida said this so ya

No, no he has not.

You and any others who keep saying this really need to stop spreading misinformation to the point of outright lying, as well as doing everything you can to ignore the well over a decades worth of data that has shown that the impact of adding a parsing tool to an MMO is negligible at best and has no long term negative results.

Yoshida has not once spoken about parsers being against the ToS because of the potential impact to the game community, In fact the most he has spoken about them is in this interview here:

Ps4 Media Tour Interview With Naoki Yoshida

and the exact comment was the following:

GE: Recently, there has been noise from players about parsers, mods and third-party applications being used with Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn and about people getting warned, suspended or even banned by GMs for using such applications. There was also mention of a plug-in API for the game. We were wondering what the policy was, your stance on it, and how you were approaching these issues. Some players are a bit worried and don’t want to get banned.

Yoshida: This is a very difficult question to answer. We are first and foremost a software company, and as a software company we cannot really approve of anyone modifying our product in any way. We would prefer it if everyone played within the original design of the software, otherwise we can’t really guarantee the quality of the product itself. Officially, the policy is that any additions or modification to the game are against the rules and privacy policy and when playing our game, everyone has to have gone through the steps to agree to the Terms and Conditions when you sign up.

However, I too am a hardcore PC gamer so I understand that there are a lot of plug-ins and add-ons available to many games. So as a PC gamer, all I can really say is “Please, don’t get caught.” If you are going to use add-ons and plug-ins please be discrete about it. Don’t go around telling your friends you mod the game on chat, or ask a GM if using such an add-on is ok. We can’t really go around and check if add-ons and plug-ins will work with our game and debug it, and check that it doesn’t break anything – its too much. Really what it comes down to is I can’t really say “Yes” to these things, and players have to realize that by using an application that accesses game files that they are the ones that are assuming the risk of viruses and possibly compromising their account.

And as you probably know, Final Fantasy XI had a particularly strict policy on this kind of thing, so there are quite a few players out there who moved from XI to XIV who definitely view any kind of add-on to the game as bad. So please, just be discrete if you will be using tools or add-ons

Parsers are ONLY against the ToS currently because they are 3rd party software and SE as a software developer cannot assume responsibility for any potential damage users altering their game files might cause to their own systems.

It is an issue of liability and nothing more.

When official add-on support is finally green-lit i assure you one of the first if not the first add-on created will be an official parsing program, at that point it will be up to SE if they have any other reasons why they should or should not be allowed.

Additionally with the beginner's hall being added they doing so in the form of the creation of challenges for the player to overcome but there is still no mention of a specific reason to not add a reference of numbers, it's entirely possible and very likely that the memory limitations of the Ps3 prevent them from adding such a feature to the current UI which is likely why we still don't have add-on support 2 years into the game's launch, however that much is speculation on my part.

The point still stands is that so far there have been zero comments from SE, Naoki Yoshida, any member of the development staff, GM staff, or community staff saying that parsers are against the ToS for fear of harassment.

So can we bed that issue and move on already?

[Colorful]

WoW vids say other wise lol.

Those addons are for convenience, QoL and the like. Your exact statement was that WoW players require that many addons, when it's not the case, not even close to being the case. Of course more people use different addons, more addons, but they're not required to be good, nor are they recommended (I find it hard to play when 90% of my screen is UI). People care about their maximum DPS, not yours. When I go into DREX I try to push out as much DPS as possible, sometimes I see someone doing 600 DPS but I move on, I don't scream at them, the same goes for WoW.

You do know that part of mastering content includes pushing out huge amounts of DPS while executing mechanics? 99% of the content has very simple mechanics, there's no mastering to be done, you run it once and you know everything. Extreme Primals is different, you run it 4-5 times and you have the mechanics down to a T, then you've learnt it, mastering is when you can do all that while pushing out maximum DPS. There's always going to be bad apples, parser or not. I've seen people claim other people are dragging the party down when they're the ones doing the least DPS.

[Azazua_azura]

For fights where the numbers are needed: Yes.

Also DoT ticks are missing in the log at all. Thats the reason the parsers are a little bit inaccurate. They try to calculate the DoT damage itself. Because of RNG, there will be always a difference in numbers and crits.

Should really have it programed to the hp bar instead of the battle log, give slightly better accuracy.

And thanks for the adult reply.

[Azazua_azura]

@ colorful

My experience from wow is way different then yours. I was given a full list of 10 addons i HAD TO download, but due to sharing the computer with 5-6 family members i couldn't. The reaction i got from explaining was i was lazy. And, did it ever occur to yoy that, you maxing out ur dps is being a problem to the group? Like getting a fresh tank? I have seen and experienced alot of stupidity in dungeons from 15-60 its mind boggling all for sake of dps. Maxing out is 1/4th of gameplay the other 2/3 are a mix of learning the content, teamwork and communication. Maxing dps should be last on your list and only in preformed groups.

When ppl go ham on df groups or random pf groups i call it "soloing ina group" been saying that since this whole parser bs started on ff11.

I personally feel there is no reason to out people, you have no idea who they are, what their doing, or where they live/what their net is likwe. You have no idea how new they are to the content, or to the class/job is on the content. If your only reaction is "you are the weakest link, goodbye" <kick> then you are being part of the issue.

It is also tiring seeing pro parser players rant up and down about dps, but also come up and say "its not my job to teach", it is again being part of the problem.

Again im not for or against parser, just the above attitude.

And said people claiming "its only cuz u suck and don't wanna be outed" I'm sorry but that is having a crappy attitude.

[Colorful]

@ colorful

My experience from wow is way different then yours. I was given a full list of 10 addons i HAD TO download, but due to sharing the computer with 5-6 family members i couldn't. The reaction i got from explaining was i was lazy. And, did it ever occur to yoy that, you maxing out ur dps is being a problem to the group? Like getting a fresh tank? I have seen and experienced alot of stupidity in dungeons from 15-60 its mind boggling all for sake of dps. Maxing out is 1/4th of gameplay the other 2/3 are a mix of learning the content, teamwork and communication. Maxing dps should be last on your list and only in preformed groups.

When ppl go ham on df groups or random pf groups i call it "soloing ina group" been saying that since this whole parser bs started on ff11.

Could you list these 10 addons? I can't possibly think of 10 that could be mandatory, if you're not a very skilled player there are some that may help, but that's still not 10.
Deadly Boss Mods
WeakAuras
Recount/Skada
OmniCC
Tidyplates

Most of these aren't even required, so please, list these 10 addons. As for fresh tanks, I've yet to encounter a tank that was unable to hold aggro in the level 60 dungeons unless I was an idiot and was attacking a different target. Ninja opener causes some issues, but that's a non-issue with Shadewalker. Maxing DPS is secondary to performing mechanics, but if you can't do both at the same time you need to improve, period. You aren't a great player if you can only do one or the other.

[Azazua_azura]

@ colorful

I honestly don't remember this was back in 2009, My apologies for not remembering. I do have ADD and I have a cold at the moment. At the time I was playing as a warlock i wasn't even joining to raid either just have ppl to chat with :/

and tbh inorder

1) teamwork
2) communication
3) learning the content
4) maxing dps after mastering.

What you described is solo gameplay, and assumptions. I have had issues tanking in neverreap cuz i was a fresh tank vs a max geared blm going ham. Which is what I was saying. I also 1-2 years ago trying to do garuda ex and a brd going ham made it hard for me to pull the adds. and instead of adapting just bitched.

This was just trial df runs and i told the group i was new. I'm always forthcoming with stuff like that and always willing to take advice, and always ask how i do to help me improve.

offtopic: ur siggy pic is cute :3 should add a lalafell doing surprised and making it a gif XD

[Azazua_azura]

@ random dude who quested the wrong stuff

not what I was meaning. More the stuff he was asked in the recent interviews as mastering the content then worrying about dps.

Which is what I've been saying but most here got it backwards