@SE, For the next "catch-up" patch, please unlock the raid as well

[Dyvid]

I'll counter with Alex:N and Alex:S should be unlocked at the same time. Why? So people who want to do Savage don't have to spoil the story/fight by doing it in Normal first. It gives the freedom to players to complete which ever version they want.

[raela]

I think the OP meant remove the weekly loot lockout, not throw it in DF.

[Kurogaea]

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It seems that way for you since your server is less in player numbers. overloaded ones have alot of players who didn't even attempt savage yet.

But yeah they should unlock the savage runs in the df, its just silly not to after its been out for so long. :/

[Felis]

It seems that way for you since your server is less in player numbers. overloaded ones have alot of players who didn't even attempt savage yet.

But yeah they should unlock the savage runs in the df, its just silly not to after its been out for so long. :/

So long they don't nerf it down before the newer Alex is ingame.

Let DF pug parties hit the content with their heads, if they want ^^
But don't come to the forum and demand nerfs before 3.2

[Archaell]

I support your suggestion op.

Removing the lockouts and putting it in DF would increase the numbers of players trying it.

I don't think many players are going to be interested in it once the new tomestones hit the shelves.

[Deathscythe343]

I don't think many players are going to be interested in it once the new tomestones hit the shelves.

This seems very likely.

[ReddAxel]

Yes please. Our static only raids on weekends, and as of late this hasn't been working out because people have in real life situations to attend to, meaning less raid time for us. If people aren't here, we can't raid. No lockout would mean we could at least pug people who are available and get practice in.

This is why we were able to clear Thordan Ex within the first week, but haven't cleared A3S yet X_x

[Ryuko]

Even with better gear or echo, A3S and A4S will be major headaches for people because of the mechanics involved. I think A1S and A2S can be done without much discussion (and even in DF groups, no issue) as long as everyone understands the fight and their individual role.

I don't think these fights should be nerfed because this is the 'one thing' that is meant to challenge the raiding community. That said, I think Thordan: Ex is a little bit more difficult than anyone anticipated. The DPS/healing/tank checks on this fight are pretty tight, assuming you don't have the best of the best gear. Also, the mechanics are really familiar for folks who know Coil, but not so much for people who didn't do Coil. So, the learning curve is really dependent on that. I enjoyed the difficulty of Thordan: Ex, but I could see them nerfing this fight to make it more accessible to the general playerbase.

I think what the OP said is exactly why SE is going to keep some stuff gated. They made an easier Alexander so that people could still see/enjoy the story without having to deal with the headache of raiding. This was a huge complaint regarding Coil -- a storyline so central to the transition between 1.0 and 2.0, yet few people were able to do it without serious help (if they didn't have time/care to raid).

I think a mistake was making Alexander easy TOO easy. It was so easy that you could basically ignore (most) mechanics and be okay. There were just a few gimmicks you absolutely could not ignore. I think the general public could have dealt with a more difficult 'easy' raid... even Void Ark seemed more challenging than the easy mode of Alex.

For the future... I anticipate the easy mode of the next level of Alex to be a bit more challenging. This will get the general playerbase more interested, and they won't be able to clear it within a week and then just grind it out until they don't care about the gear anymore (which is basically outdated compared to Eso/VA gear).

[UBERHAXED]

Yes please. Our static only raids on weekends, and as of late this hasn't been working out because people have in real life situations to attend to, meaning less raid time for us. If people aren't here, we can't raid. No lockout would mean we could at least pug people who are available and get practice in.

This is why we were able to clear Thordan Ex within the first week, but haven't cleared A3S yet X_x

Or maybe it's because Thordan is easier??!!

Even with better gear or echo, A3S and A4S will be major headaches for people because of the mechanics involved. I think A1S and A2S can be done without much discussion (and even in DF groups, no issue) as long as everyone understands the fight and their individual role.

I don't think these fights should be nerfed because this is the 'one thing' that is meant to challenge the raiding community. That said, I think Thordan: Ex is a little bit more difficult than anyone anticipated. The DPS/healing/tank checks on this fight are pretty tight, assuming you don't have the best of the best gear. Also, the mechanics are really familiar for folks who know Coil, but not so much for people who didn't do Coil. So, the learning curve is really dependent on that. I enjoyed the difficulty of Thordan: Ex, but I could see them nerfing this fight to make it more accessible to the general playerbase.

I think what the OP said is exactly why SE is going to keep some stuff gated. They made an easier Alexander so that people could still see/enjoy the story without having to deal with the headache of raiding. This was a huge complaint regarding Coil -- a storyline so central to the transition between 1.0 and 2.0, yet few people were able to do it without serious help (if they didn't have time/care to raid).

I think a mistake was making Alexander easy TOO easy. It was so easy that you could basically ignore (most) mechanics and be okay. There were just a few gimmicks you absolutely could not ignore. I think the general public could have dealt with a more difficult 'easy' raid... even Void Ark seemed more challenging than the easy mode of Alex.

For the future... I anticipate the easy mode of the next level of Alex to be a bit more challenging. This will get the general playerbase more interested, and they won't be able to clear it within a week and then just grind it out until they don't care about the gear anymore (which is basically outdated compared to Eso/VA gear).

Uh... what are we even comparing too? DPS checks and tank checks are non-existent. They literally threw a mechanic in that required you to bring a second tank as a body instead of 5 DPS. DPS check is as "tight" as AS1, which can be cleared 6 minutes earlier than enrage right now. Enrage is 11 minutes for Thordan BTW. You can literally stop DPS for a few seconds to do mechanics. I'm not too sure about heal checks, it's about as heavy as any other content we've seen.

[Ryuko]

Uh... what are we even comparing too? DPS checks and tank checks are non-existent. They literally threw a mechanic in that required you to bring a second tank as a body instead of 5 DPS. DPS check is as "tight" as AS1, which can be cleared 6 minutes earlier than enrage right now. Enrage is 11 minutes for Thordan BTW. You can literally stop DPS for a few seconds to do mechanics. I'm not too sure about heal checks, it's about as heavy as any other content we've seen.

I really don't consider the 'hard' enrage as the real enrage, because if people fail mechanics (and they often do), they'll have weakness by the time you get to the AoE damage phase followed by the knight (dps check) in the middle with the tether on Thordan. If your healers aren't already OOM by this point, it will be hard for them to keep up weakened people regardless because the group will take heavy AoE damage just a second or two before the central knight's AoE triggers. It basically requires the healers to get the group capped twice (with extra mitigation for weakened people). It's very rare I've ever seen a group get past this point simply because of weakness/gear/mp (and this situation will ONLY happen if your dps is slow -- so, it's likely most people are weakened at this point). Almost every group I've seen clear has had to do it before the knight in the center even spawns. This fight is not as forgiving as other extremes in this sense. Granted, it's easy to carry people through the fight, but only if (most) people are on point. Even in farm groups that were clearing consistently, I would almost always see one person dying on every single run.

What's even more amazing/ridiculous about this is I have done it with people currently working on A3S, and it still takes them hours (or DAYS) to grasp it... showing just how easy AS1 and AS2 are compared to AS3 and Thordan Ex. Again, I enjoyed the fight -- but I could see them nerfing it in some way. They always add echo to 'extreme' fights, but I wouldn't be surprised if other mechanics were slightly tweaked to be more forgiving.