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[Lyrica_Ashtine]

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Here you are again with the "no choice" thing. I never said that there's no choice. I said that choice is an illusion. I'll repeat it again for good measure, as you don't seem to get it: choice is an illusion. Having no choice at all means you are forced to press the "increase str" button because everything else is grayed out. Choice of illusion would mean you're put in a situation where the choices aren't equivalent. Since you're still bringing up RO, I'll just go with it. Melee mage and proper spell mage? This comes from two perspectives:
Player playing the mage gets to choose between those variations
Community can choose mages of those variations

No party would pick up a random mage that'll just smack their wands at an MVP. But the player playing the mage may still choose to do so.
In case of the player playing said mage, it's Hobson's choice: Something or nothing. You can choose for nothing (melee mage) or choose for something (proper mage)

Even then the proper mage would be confronted with choice again: Is your build properly set up for the objectives of the party? Once again: Hobson's choice. They either reset and get something, or stick with their build and get nothing.

Heck, even the game itself has an illusion of choice. You want that Safety wall? Invest 12 points into perquisite abilities, even when there are better options to spend those points on. Or as a priest you'd want Pneuma? 7 points investment and 6 of them have zero combat value. If it's not the game, the community will brand you if you choose to advance your job at 40, rather than 50. I don't have to provide you "the perfect build". As there's simply none because you'd always have to adjust it for the group's objective.

[Eothas]

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Illusion: "Something that deceives by producing a false or misleading impression of reality".

If there is a "Illusion of Choice", mean thats there no choice at all. This term "Illusion of Choice" in a MMO is given when Option A will always be better than Option B. And it is found doing math calculations.

Choice of illusion would mean you're put in a situation where the choices aren't equivalent..

Hello? Choices have to be equivalent? e.g.: 1 INT = + 50MATK | 1 STR = + 50MATK? Because that would be bs. You want to smash your keyboard when choosing stats and want them to be useful? Of course they will not be EQUIVALENT, but with careful thinking you can always do your own useful build, with common sense of course. Seems like you didnt played RO enough to know it.

"Stats weights" don't exist in RO. You can't find it.

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Even then the proper mage would be confronted with choice again: Is your build properly set up for the objectives of the party? Once again: Hobson's choice. They either reset and get something, or stick with their build and get nothing.

Makes me think that YOU DON'T WANT TO PLAY A GAME WITH CHOICES.

And even then what you said is a lie, I already have said 1000 times to you, but you always try to dance around it. Let's define a "Proper Mage", lets say, Warlock with Comet, there can have two, three warlocks with comet wanting to hang out with said party, with different builds, one can use Elvira Cards, the other can have more points in DEX, other in INT, they all will be useful with their own touchs to their own builds that adequates their playstyle. **AND ITS NOT A ILLUSION, BECAUSE IT CAN CHANGE SIGNIFICANTLY YOUR GAMEPLAY, AND YOU ARE NOT FORCED TO HAVE THE BUILD OF WARLOCK 1 2 OR 3** unless you are in very specific WoE case, and even then its questionable. theres a lot of subtle changes in builds that players can do, and it's not a Illusion.

It's not a illusion, there is choices, valid choices, I can stay here all day giving examples of VALID different builds for the same class, for the same X oriented build. But seems like by illusion you means that, I'll repeat, you don't want to play a game with choices. You want a homogenized game, which I already have given my opinion, you can go back and see in post #62.

Heck, even the game itself has an illusion of choice. You want that Safety wall? Invest 12 points into perquisite abilities, even when there are better options to spend those points on. I don't have to provide you "the perfect build". As there's simply none because you'd always have to adjust it for the group's objective.

lol? Safety Wall is a really strong spell, it makes sense to put it behind a wall of points. As an Archbishop you could choose between a level 10 SW and lvl 3 Epiclesis. Maybe level 8 SW and level 5 Epiclesis. Both could be useful. No one would exclude you of a party between one of these two choices, only if you want to be extreme and want to be a ridiculous battle priest, then they would exclude you, within reason. A reminder, none of these two subtle choices is a ILLUSION, unless, again, you don't want choices. Subtle choices like this is something that lots of FFXIV players dream of everyday.

You can't provide a perfect build, because there is no Illusion, even for the same objective players can have different builds, even if only with subtle changes, there is no "set in stone" build. I'll ease it to you. Provide me the perfect build for a WoE Full Support Sorcerer. I gave you something VERY SPECIFIC. Please, I want to "adjust" my build.

spoiler: you can't find it, even for something specific that you say players would "adjust".

[Blessedbythesun]

If I may chime on the RO thing.... wasn't the majority of RO's population pretty lax when it came to individual builds? I mean, you could party with up to 15 other players, which would lead to party diversification. Then again, I played more of my time on private servers after leaving RO official servers before renewal. Builds don't really have a place in FFXIV. Yeah, we've been modifying our stats through crafted gear for endgame raiding but the way the FFXIV is designed, there's literally like one optimal way to play in a party setting because it really is a numbers game and the only "choice" we have is what job we bring to the table.

[Eothas]

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Yeah, I have meet with a lot of really competitive players in RO, specially in PvP and WoE, and I have never seem players trying to enforce exactly the same build for everyone, because it just not work in RO, there is alot to consider before making a decision, it's not like FFXIV where the only concern is do X dps in Y amount of time, and you can throw all skills in a calculator and do the math.

In RO there is lots of skills that someone can't put in a calculator and decide "This is the best skill and build, period".

Yeah, we've been modifying our stats through crafted gear for endgame raiding but the way the FFXIV is designed, there's literally like one optimal way to play in a party setting because it really is a numbers game and the only "choice" we have is what job we bring to the table.

Exactly. What amuse me is that some people think that every game works the same way, which is not true. What made people love RO is the customization, but seems like millions of players have been deceived by a "illusion", according to Lyrica. Thousands of players have been deceived for 11+ years, including lots of korean theorycrafters.