Hillarity.

[Entilper]

"People here treat raiders horribly without provocation. I have no qualms now about returning the favor."

Yeah, I'm done being nice to raiders too. Maybe we treat some raiders like this because they made the game what it is today: a boring game that has no elements of past FF games outside of name mentions and items with a horrid vertical progression, disposable content, bloated skillset and iLevel, not to mention the waste of investment just to redesign encounters for a minimal percentage of the community while crafting and gathering suffer from a lot of problems that will remain unsolved for at least one more patch. Maybe because they're most WoW leftovers, bringing their WoW-expectations to FFXIV, maybe because most of them are so toxic in DF and leave after someone say that they're new. Yeah, maybe.

[zosia]

"People here treat raiders horribly without provocation. I have no qualms now about returning the favor."Yeah, I'm done being nice to raiders too. Maybe we treat some raiders like this because they made the game what it is today: a boring game that has no elements of past FF games outside of name mentions and items with a horrid vertical progression, disposable content, bloated skillset and iLevel, not to mention the waste of investment just to redesign encounters for a minimal percentage of the community while crafting and gathering suffer from a lot of problems that will remain unsolved for at least one more patch. Maybe because they're most WoW leftovers, bringing their WoW-expectations to FFXIV, maybe because most of them are so toxic in DF and leave after someone say that they're new. Yeah, maybe.

Yeah, what was I thinking? I will just shoot Yoshi-P an email about how I want the game changed. Better yet, I will just skype with the dev team later on about what I want changed in the game. Are you for real? If you have issues with this game and how it fits into the FF franchise, maybe you should look at the dev team and less at the people playing the game.

Raiders are the minority, and we have changed very little in this game. What you hate about this game was already in place even before the second coil of bahamut was released. I have been playing this game since 1.0 and your attitude is by far one of the worst I have encountered in my long long history with square's MMOs from ff11 to ff14.

[Entilper]

- Law bonus
- Raider "I'm not carrying anyone" and leave
- I have the worst attitude you have seen, then you should look again or try to not go in everything with your pre-made party from FC or your static so you know how rude people are.

[Entilper]

You're right, it was already in place when it started, and when the devs try to change it by implementing new forms of acquiring the highest level gear, on a first step towards horizontal progression, the raid community come here using "WoW gear tiers" arguments (like the one you used on the other thread about rewarding), whining and complaining because they don't have the best gear anymore, even though this is a catch up patch.

You haven't made a point yet outside of "raiders need better gear than others that don't raid", something that is bs on a game like this, especially with the new way the game is following, as Yoshida said in his interviews. While they continue to listen to this type of sefish claims about rewards and gear, this game will never provide anything to it's full potential, because everytime they try anything, the "raiding community" feels offended because they're rewarding other player types too.

[zosia]

- Law bonus
- Raider "I'm not carrying anyone" and leave
- I have the worst attitude you have seen, then you should look again or try to not go in everything with your pre-made party from FC or your static so you know how rude people are.

yup, that's 100% of all raiders. I certainly did not link a thread where I tried to extend the olive branch two months ago. Your gross generalization only further my point. Also, no, I don't want to play with people that don't care for my plight at all. You can have fun with your 45 min dungeons runs, I like my 15 min runs just fine tyvm. You guys treat good players like the plague so we will just play with like minded people and you have have the feast of famine that represents the average skill level of the player base.

You're right, it was already in place when it started, and when the devs try to change it by implementing new forms of acquiring the highest level gear, on a first step towards horizontal progression, the raid community come here using "WoW gear tiers" arguments (like the one you used on the other thread about rewarding), whining and complaining because they don't have the best gear anymore, even though this is a catch up patch.

So, diadem is the first step towards horizontal progression? Diadem? The content that single handedly killed interest in both savage alex and void ark? Yeah, try again buckaroo. Diadem is the antithesis of horizontal progression since it's the only source of BiS gear right now.

You haven't made a point yet outside of "raiders need better gear than others that don't raid", something that is bs on a game like this, especially with the new way the game is following, as Yoshida said in his interviews. While they continue to listen to this type of sefish claims about rewards and gear, this game will never provide anything to it's full potential, because every time they try anything, the "raiding community" feels offended because they're rewarding other player types too.

and you haven't made a point other than "waaah raiders suck and I want to have my freebies! Waaah raiders ruined mah ff14! Waaaaah wow players are the worst people!"

Yeah, I am the one being selfish because I climbed to the mountain top with alex savage and I am upset that people like you want an elevator put into the mountain. Get over your sense of self righteous entitlement.

[WinterLuna]

Anecdotal cases of people who have great fortune, don't alter the facts about rarity of gear, that is the nature of outcomes based on RNG. For every person who has acquired some good pieces, there are hundreds with none.

And those people claiming not to have won anything are also purely anecdotal. People like to complain more than they like to show off their gear. For those hundreds with none, there are hundreds with a lot. You can't play off one side of an argument with another to try and enforce your argument when they're both based on anecdotes.

[NamoNanamo]

I'm a raider And I don't care that people get bis from Diadem.
Savage isn't that great and I don't see why some raider want to be over the top for so long.
Diadem/thordan will help a lot of people stuck on a3s. I'm ok with it.

I only did savage cause I wanted to play with a team and beat some hard content. I really don't care about bis. I want some funny, hard and interesting fights.
At least, Diadem consume a lot of my free time and If it could get me some bis, I'm happy. And Diadem is great to help my secondary job.

Void ark is ok, It helps ppl that don't want to do Diadem. I understand them, it's really boring and the rng can make us crazy. And Diadem ez/normal is a waste of time.

[SpiritMuse]

Came in expecting a thread about Hildy. I am disappoint.

[Roegadyn_Bear]

Came in expecting a thread about Hildy. I am disappoint.

We need more Hildebrand quests, but I'm sure people will complain about it being non-content again.

/eyeroll

[xXRaineXx]

Came in expecting a thread about Hildy. I am disappoint.

I would have titled it Hildilarity then :P