Hillarity.

[RukiaFae]

I easily see at least one bis 210 every time I do diadem hard. They are not as rare as you think.

Yes you may see one per run but did you get it? That was one drop for eight people for two hours worth of time. It's called RNG some people have great luck others don't. I have done multiple runs and only got one piece of 210 that may not be bis. Out of that entire run only three pieces of 210 gear dropped. People act like you are guaranteed bis gear every time you step foot in there. It's mostly luck and a lot of time.

[WinterLuna]

The gear isn't actually very rare at all.. or at least wasn't before the update. I have multiple BiS gear from Diadem and so do my FC members to the point that were gearing other classes with the gear. It's not that rare.

[Riki_Namu]

Anecdotal cases of people who have great fortune, don't alter the facts about rarity of gear, that is the nature of outcomes based on RNG. For every person who has acquired some good pieces, there are hundreds with none.

Its not rare when you see people with full 210 a week into the new patch. Not just a couple quite a few. First day I saw several FC members laughing as they linked 210 pieces they were getting lol.

So ya not rare. Anecdotal, sure what isn't in an mmo. But if it was rare the most people would have is a few pieces at this stage if they were super lucky.

[zosia]

Yes you may see one per run but did you get it? That was one drop for eight people for two hours worth of time. It's called RNG some people have great luck others don't. I have done multiple runs and only got one piece of 210 that may not be bis. Out of that entire run only three pieces of 210 gear dropped. People act like you are guaranteed bis gear every time you step foot in there. It's mostly luck and a lot of time.

Yes, I have won some. Considering it had better stats than my savage gear, it was worth the 1.5* hours of time (not two). You know how many hours people have spent in savage? I am willing to bet it's been more that diadem thus far. The risk vs reward in this game is completely off basis.

The gear isn't actually very rare at all.. or at least wasn't before the update. I have multiple BiS gear from Diadem and so do my FC members to the point that were gearing other classes with the gear. It's not that rare.

QFT ^

Its not rare when you see people with full 210 a week into the new patch. Not just a couple quite a few. First day I saw several FC members laughing as they linked 210 pieces they were getting lol.

So ya not rare. Anecdotal, sure what isn't in an mmo. But if it was rare the most people would have is a few pieces at this stage if they were super lucky.

and QFT ^^^

[RukiaFae]

Its not rare when you see people with full 210 a week into the new patch. Not just a couple quite a few. First day I saw several FC members laughing as they linked 210 pieces they were getting lol.

So ya not rare. Anecdotal, sure what isn't in an mmo. But if it was rare the most people would have is a few pieces at this stage if they were super lucky.

I still haven't seen anyone with full 210 Daidem gear on my server or in dungeon runs. The most I've seen is five pieces on one prison. The most 210 gear I've seen drop in one run was 3-4. For me it was rare. Getting one 210 drop out of five full runs which equals to 7.5 hours of playing is not that great. I guess RNG just hates me lol at that rate it would take me forever to a full set of 210 not calculating the stats, just any 210 gear.


Anyways I hope they change it from a zergfest to actual exploring.

[zosia]

I still haven't seen anyone with full 210 Daidem gear on my server or in dungeon runs. The most I've seen is five pieces on one prison. The most 210 gear I've seen drop in one run was 3-4. For me it was rare. Getting one 210 drop out of five full runs which equals to 7.5 hours of playing is not that great. I guess RNG just hates me lol at that rate it would take me forever to a full set of 210 not calculating the stats, just any 210 gear.


Anyways I hope they change it from a zergfest to actual exploring.

You're doing it wrong, in diadem hard (currently after the nerf) it's still easy to get 7-10 gold chests.

Also, you complain about working for 7.5 hours to get one 210. How about the close to 100 hours it takes to clear alex savage? I bet that 100 hours is even greater for some groups. 100ish hours spent only to have your gear invalidated by sky hunts.

[RukiaFae]

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"I'm doing it wrong". Well I could swear it was group effort but blame me for not know how to get the maximum amount of chest out of each run. I was just giving my experience from running with different groups. Everyone has different experiences in the game. Yes you devoted time to clear that content because you wanted to. You beat it. That's the reward for your time an effort getting gear that only people who beat it can wear is your trophy to show of. I could see if the were giving out the exact same gear as savage but they are not. Your gear and my gear will always be different. Everyone will know you beat it and I didn't. Gear is being replaced at lighting speed now. Most people have realized this and that's why they don't raid. Gear last long. If you don't want to be miserable playing this game. Raid for self satisfaction and not gear because you will always be pissed when something better comes along.

[zosia]

"I'm doing it wrong". Well I could swear it was group effort but blame me for not know how to get the maximum amount of chest out of each run. I was just giving my experience from running with different groups. Everyone has different experiences in the game. Yes you devoted time to clear that content because you wanted to. You beat it. That's the reward for your time an effort gettinggear that only people who beat it can wear is your trophy to show of. I could see if the were giving out the exact same gear as savage but they are not. Your gear and my gear will always be different. Everyone will know you beat it and I didn't. Gear is being replaced at lighting speed now. Most people have realized this and that's why they don't raid. Gear last long. If you don't want to be miserable playing this game. Raid for self satisfaction and not gear because you will always be pissed when something better comes along.

so, dyable alex normal gear is an acceptable reward to you for an alex savage clear? Especially when one of the best colors is the default color to the normal gear?

You're right, the gear is not the same, it can be better than savage gear, which is asinine while alex savage is the current tip of the content mountain.

Don't tell me how to play. This is not a matter of gear eventually becoming obsolete, it's a matter of gear becoming obsolete while alex savage is still the current raid tier.

[RukiaFae]

Do I think gear should be different and look better yes. I think people who clear it should get exclusive mounts and minions for their hard work. I think Daidem should change from being a zergefest. Your mind is closed and you refused to highlight those parts. The gear is not obsolete. You still have it until you get a piece that is better. Unlike you I'm not telling you how to play the game just a different away to look at it. Instead of being mad that other people are getting something better, which will always happen in life you could change your way of thinking. Why not ask SE to put more item in savage or change the gear design or gear upgrades. (P.S. you told me how to play first when you told me I'm doing Diadem wrong because if it's not how you play it's wrong I guess lol)

[zosia]

Do I think gear should be different and look better yes. I think people who clear it should get exclusive mounts and minions for their hard work. I think Daidem should change from being a zergefest. Your mind is closed and you refused to highlight those parts. The gear is not obsolete. You still have it until youget a piece that is better. Unlike you I'm not telling you how to play the game just a different away to look at it. Instead of being mad that other people are getting something better, which will always happen in life you could change your way of thinking. Why not ask SE to put more item in savage or change the gear design or gear upgrades. (P.S. you told me how to play first when you told me I'm doing Diadem wrong because if it's not how you play it's wrong I guess lol)

Did I tell you to play diadem differently? No, I did not. I merely informed you that if you're getting so few chest that you are doing it wrong. You can continue to play how ever you like.

and I have tried more than most people on the OF to be reasonable in this dialogue. I wanted to have a discussion to bridge the gap between casual and hardcore. I wanted to find a middle ground.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...misconceptions

Look at how much though and consideration I gave that thread. Look at how non-threatening I tried to be. Very few people were interested back then and now the raiding community has fallen apart.

I am done being nice. People here treat raiders horribly without provocation. I have no qualms now about returning the favor.