Diadem and Savage - I can't deal with it anymore

[Ashkendor]

You're comparing i185 crafted gear to i210 Diadem gear. . . Of course weight wise the i210 is going to be greater than what's currently offered to crafted gear.

Pretty sure she's not. She's comparing it to theoretical i210 crafting gear:

It is already superior to 210 crafted gear

[ArchonCina]

I am 100% behind the OP post here. I even made a thread about it, detailing WHY I think the change the OP suggests is critical to the success of the game. We'll see how that goes, though. I too am looking at what other games have on offer. It just isn't the same raiding in a themepark.

[Kosmos992k]

I am 100% behind the OP post here. I even made a thread about it, detailing WHY I think the change the OP suggests is critical to the success of the game. We'll see how that goes, though. I too am looking at what other games have on offer. It just isn't the same raiding in a themepark.

With respect, we've known that FFXIV is a 'theme park' MMORPG since before it completed beta phase 3, Yoshi's never suggested otherwise, quite the opposite actually. I don't think that is going to change.

[AhoyCaptain]

Alexander Savage

• I'm extremely unhappy how I did not progress in Alexander Savage. 90% of the mechanics were in normal but they dealt 4 to 5 times more damage. I swear there is 0 new mechanic in A2S, you only added more mobs.
• Progression was replaced with gear gated fights (A3S, A4S). You didn't wipe because of mechanics but because of lack of DPS.

Diadem

• This is suppose to be an activity to explore with your friends. You spend 90 minutes grinding the same 2 islands to spawn as many Star rank to get 210 pieces.
• Diadem 210 chest pieces can have 220+ stats.

They might release new relics in 3.15 that will be iLevel 210. You know, the item we've been told it was suppose to follow us the entire time that is still iLevel 135? That's the biggest lie I've heard. we should already have iLevel 205-210 relics and Gordian weapons should have been iLevel 215, 5 iLevel higher to it's worth raiding.

(You have no reason to be a crafter except consumables, glamour and housing)

There are mechanical differences between A2 and A2s, the main one is the necessity to stun certain enemies before killing them or they explode, and the differences between 3/4 and savage 3/4 are definitely more than gear checks. The mechanical differences in A3 to A3s are pretty big really.
Also want to say that when savage was released, your gordian weapon was ilvl 210. Ten item levels above any currently obtainable weapon. Now with the "catch up" patch, there are things added to the game to help casual players close the gap between themselves and the end game raiders and have a clean slate before the next set of new content. It's the same cycle we have always seen. I don't understand why you expected something different. Sure, the diadem brought a ton of new possibilities for players willing to put in the grind for the gear. However, you would need to invest the same amount of time into grinding diadem as players do to raiding the end game raids to get their BiS gear. Yes, there may be some mistbreak gear out there with 220 secondary stats on it, but that isn't the norm. You're ignoring the fact that those type of numbers don't appear on EVERY piece of gear to come from the diadem. Often times, people play their 90 minute diadem run and come out with a piece of gear with a single secondary stat on it. An unusable piece entirely. But you know that when you are raiding, that if you are clearing the content, you will see a usable piece of gear. It is also not a requirement to play the content that way. The people who want the gear will play that way. The people who want to explore with their friends will do just that.
One more thing, your quip about no use to being a crafter- I feel like you basically said "You have no reason to be a crafter, except: OH. SEVERAL OTHER REASONS." Go ahead and be a progression raider if you want, but try it without your food and pots then.

Something that people should keep in mind is that Savage was out for 5 months before Diadem/Void was released.

This is huge. Everyone is upset about 210 gear being available to people and making savage gear irrelevant. Normally by this point you have already had a patch that brings a new ilvl and the previous raid content is nerfed and farmed for glamour. Savage Alex has been out for some time now. I think we are seeing a lot of outrage from people like OP because the number of people who have cleared the content is much lower.

& now
That's all from me for now.

[Kona_Nightwind]

To be fair. Everytime I kill a dinosaur in Diadem, I should get a token that allows me to create a BiS piece, so I dont have to endlessly farm Diadem. I mean come on, what is this 2.0?

[TheCoker]

Considering that:
1) Less than 1% of FFXIV players have cleared all floors of Alex Savage.
2) Full BiS gear doesn't automatically guarantee a clear. (Many level 60 players still wipe to Titan, Ramuh, Nael, Phoenix, Bahamut and Ravana with Echo)
3) Raiding is not about the destination, but the journey.
4) Raiding is not about gear, but challenging yourself. Testing your limits.
5) We are in the middle of the "catch-up" patch.
6) Patch 3.2 (Maybe late Feb 2016?) will change the BiS yet again (i240?), no matter how many dinosours u kill.
7) The Manipulator is still guarding the gate to Floor 5.

I think Diadem is pretty harmless.

It's been a month of Dinoland....

Have the A3S and A4S clear rates increased at all?

I think u just need a break.

PS: U do know savage nerfs are on the way right?

By the way, I find the Diadem extremely boring. I've only been there 3 times. I'll take Thordan or Alex any day over killing dinasours again and again.

[RiceisNice]

PS: U do know savage nerfs are on the way right?

Considering that the last reply was a week ago, I don't think you acutally caught up on the topic or know even what the OP (or really the problem that most players have) is talking about in regards to savage or diadem.

And also, they never confirmed nerfs for savage, nor should it get to the point that savage needs nerf (because the problem is the overall design of the raiding scene, not necessarily just savage alone)

[Kosmos992k]

Considering that the last reply was a week ago, I don't think you acutally caught up on the topic or know even what the OP (or really the problem that most players have) is talking about in regards to savage or diadem.

And also, they never confirmed nerfs for savage, nor should it get to the point that savage needs nerf (because the problem is the overall design of the raiding scene, not necessarily just savage alone)

Agreed, I am not sure at all that Alex Savage needs or will get a nerf. Having the two tiers of difficulty make nerfing Savage pointless. Coil 'normal mode' got nerfed because Coil was too hard for many non-raiders. But, unless I missed something Coil's Savage mode parts were never nerfed.

So, why would Savage content of any kind get nerfed.

[TheCoker]

Considering all the gear SE is throwing at us to aid those who have yet to clear savage (including i205 weapons), if clear rates don't improve, yes, I still think they will nerf savage. Unless access to floor 5 isn't gated by it. This is an educated guess.

[Mercutial]

I had an epiphany last night when thinking on this very topic. In my opinion, SE made a huge mistake in essentially doubling our character's power between levels 50 and 60. This had the unfortunate result of nullifying nearly ALL previous raid/primal content. Those of us who enjoyed the fights on their own terms (irrespective of the gear or progression) now must say goodbye to it all. Yeah... set up a synched party in PF. See how quickly that fills. I'm talking about how PF was always filled with clearing/farm parties of all kinds. And it was generally fun to hop into a T9/Titan EX/Levi EX/T5, etc clear party, because it was... ahem.. fun. That climate is now officially dead barring whatever the latest primal happens to be (this week - Thordan).

I've recently talked my cousin into starting this game after years of WOW. And my first thought was: "how unfortunate he'll never really get to experience the excitement of Titan EX as it was intended or the sheer rush of finally putting all the pieces together to down T9". Instead, he'll probably faceroll it to knock off the achievement and be on his way. All leading up to... what???

Yeah... level 60 should have put us more in the I150 range I think. That is to say... ESO gear should have been around I150 IMO.