Advanced Classes

[Soge01]

Similar to how unlocking Warrior class we need to lvl Marauder up to lvl 30 and Gladiator up to lvl 15. Instead, we would need to have two strong classes like White Mage and Black Mage both at lvl 50 or 60 in order to unlock Sage class. I was thinking this might be a good idea to add in the future for FFXIV to keep the game fresh and exciting. What do you all think about this? Would you all want something like this to be added into FFXIV sometime in the future or no?

[MagiusNecros]

Depends if I can get a complete spell list that isn't just Fire and Ice.

I do like the idea of prestige classes but I don't think it'll happen. I'm already quite miffed about how misrepresented a majority of the classes are. Scattered spell lists among mages is just the tip of the iceberg IMO.

And I think the whole role of the class will stop Sage from ever happening since Sage was a master of both White and Black magic. And SE wants you to either be focused as a DPS, Healer, or Tank.

[Pence]

Depends if I can get a complete spell list that isn't just Fire and Ice.
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I don't get why people are miffed about the whole elemental aspect of the game. Let's say BLM had access to all elements, and the game follows the 'normal' elemental wheel of resistance. SE then really has 3 options...

1) Give each element unique spells, that all ultimately produce the same end DPS when used correctly against the element they're strong against. SE is now not only balancing BLM against all other DPS, but also balancing BLM with 6 versions of itself all of which will need be equal or it'll break it when balancing it with other jobs.

2) Give BLM access to multiple versions of the same spell, just with a different animation and affinity. Skill bloat for no reason, dev time unnecessarily devoted to creating 6 versions of the same skill'.

3) Not make each element balanced in respect to each other. What happens when a boss is weak to your lowest damage element? What if your lowest damage element is SMNs strongest? You'd probably opt to bring the SMN, or vice versa. Again. Balance is now out of whack.

[MagiusNecros]

I just want my damn Death spells or the ability to cast meteor outside of a limit break. But in the next expansion all a BLM will probably get is an AoE Thunder called Thunder 4.

[Legion88]

I'm afraid this will never happen, because of some reasons.
1.: There are to much crying, that classes without job are useless after Lvl 30. The advantage of the jobs is so huge in Endgame so no one wants to sit on a class without Job or they get harrassed for that behavior.
2.: Much Jobs got new job skills, who are primar for other classic FF jobs like the "Deliverance" and skills depending on this would fit more to a berserk or wiking job, Bard got much Ranger like skills.

In conclusion of this (yeah its just two) points it wont happen like you mentioned. Instead of introducing new more powerfull "megajobs" as an upgrade for existing jobs, they will improve the jobs with new skills from classic classes to fit in this spot. And white mage is a sage in the terms of master in healing and damage at the moment, he just isn't called so, cause he can't use classic black magic (fire/ice/lightning).

Perhaps they will do this, and it could work, but the community wants just new jobs in horizontaly not in verticaly progress, so they can acquire them fast and easy.

This is just in my opinion what will happen. I would like a vertical progression in jobs too, but i don't see that comming soon.

[Shurrikhan]

I'd love advanced classes if every step along the way remained in some way viable for current content (even if, say, the class was only used for specific Hunt-like encounters and the first-tier job wasn't preferred for other specific encounters). But I don't see them as being cost-efficient, development-wise.

[Pence]

So you're saying you want new jobs to be gated by higher levels....say like, MCH, AST and DRK are?...

[Soge01]

@Magius Necros and Legion88

All the current classes are misrepresented? So we've been playing with classes that use abilities from other classes (excluding cross skills)? o.O

@Legion88
I like the fact that SE lets improves the classes, like they did for Heavensward and will be happy if they do it for the other future expansions, but won't they eventually hit a limit with that? Even if they keep adding other abilities from other jobs for each expansion, it'll eventually make the class dull and people will start wanting new classes to replace the old used up ones. That's were advanced classes would come in, to replace old classes and with new and stronger ones. And since most people will probably have tried and maxed out every class by at least the third or fourth expansion, so wouldn't introducing "megaclasses" help refresh the game and keep it alive, especially since by that time people would be able to easily unlock them too?

@Pence
The new jobs, DRK, MCH, and AST are just jobs that skipped over base class and let us jump right into using their stornger versions for Heavensward. Those glasses are equal with the current ones.

What I'm talking about is SE making new actual more powerful classes in the future, like Sage, and not just adding new ones that just skip the base class progression.

@Shurrikhan
Can see that working out.

[MagiusNecros]

Yes Black Mages had access to spells like Bio, Water, Quake(WHM has Stone tree so Quake is going to them in the future), Drain, Osmose(Osmose isn't anywhere because they are having a regen effect on ice spells). They lack certain support spells that I believe Red Mage MIGHT get such as Haste and Temper. BLM does have Saber in the form of Enochian. BLM doesn't even get Break to use for Petrification. Since all our CC skills simply do not work in HW content. Rendering them completely useless.

I've also been majorly brooding over the Dark Knight. They don't sacrifice health for big damage. Their MP stealing qualities don't steal MP just gives it to you. If it did steal MP we would have more Enemy is out of MP situations. Dark Knights are missing a staple ability Last Resort which buffed their stats by casting doom on themselves. They don't have that here. It is mostly just a Dark version of the Paladin.

[Iagainsti]

Similar to how unlocking Warrior class we need to lvl Marauder up to lvl 30 and Gladiator up to lvl 15. Instead, we would need to have two strong classes like White Mage and Black Mage both at lvl 50 or 60 in order to unlock Sage class. I was thinking this might be a good idea to add in the future for FFXIV to keep the game fresh and exciting. What do you all think about this? Would you all want something like this to be added into FFXIV sometime in the future or no?

I get what you are saying, It'd be like a WHM with all its abilities, but you hit Cleric Stance and you're able to do the BLM rotation till Shiteth Hitteth the Fan-eth, drop Cleric's, Drop a benny and go about healing. I like it.

It would be cool to see SMN/SCH the same way; just need a "Transpose" ability to instantly swap pets (Adlo>Cleric Stance>"Void Call">Dps)