Tank Balance - Thordan EX 7-WAR 1-WHM Clear (Really SE?)

[Raxiaz]

What about it? Same time as 7 practiced WARs, even though they had 5 people new (and 2 healers, not 1). I fail to see how this makes WAR OP.

Get glasses. For a fight that's supposed to be on-par with raids, Thordan EX to be downed by 7 WARs and 1 WHM is just sad, and shows a lack of balance between the classes.

Why even bring DPS when WARs can do the same DPS more often than not, AND have more HP?

[CookieMonsta]

Get glasses. For a fight that's supposed to be on-par with raids, Thordan EX to be downed by 7 WARs and 1 WHM is just sad, and shows a lack of balance between the classes.

Why even bring DPS when WARs can do the same DPS more often than not, AND have more HP?

Because good luck finding 7 decently skilled WAR pugs that can match an average DPS, the skill ceiling on WAR is pretty high. This fight's phasing happens to match very nicely with the WAR CDs, PLUS those are some very top tier players with excellent gear.

I can also tell you Thordan Ex is not on par with Savage raids. Its a more difficult than previous Primal fights but easier than true Savage.

Again I'll repeat, why are we bashing these 7 extremely skilled WARs instead of celebrating their achievement?
I remember back a while ago when they cleared Rav Ex with 7 DRK + 1 SCH no one was screaming nerf DRK but WAR seems to be the whipping boy these days.

[Sleigh]

Get glasses. For a fight that's supposed to be on-par with raids, Thordan EX to be downed by 7 WARs and 1 WHM is just sad, and shows a lack of balance between the classes.

Why even bring DPS when WARs can do the same DPS more often than not, AND have more HP?

DPS wise Thordan is closer to A1S than any further raids, and A1S was tuned around i190. In fact, you can enter Thordan at i190, which kind of means that's (roughly) what the assumed tuning of the encounter is around.

WARs can't do the same DPS as others, it is incorrect to assume they can. I play with one of the highest fflogs WAR in there, which I'm not saying is proof of anything in any way, but on average every DPS beats him by 10-20%, same as in raids. Does he occasionally get 1050-1100+, probably beating the majority of players who go into Thordan regardless of class? Yes. But the same level of player, on other DPS, will again beat that by +10-20+% on their good runs.

People have to realize Thordan is a healer check (at key moments only), a small burst DPS check, and a general mechanics check. Otherwise it doesn't take much at all to easily beat it well before any problems would arise.

[cold52]

I remember back a while ago when they cleared Rav Ex with 7 DRK + 1 SCH no one was screaming nerf DRK but WAR seems to be the whipping boy these days.

thats because any of the three tanks could do that especially warrior, speaking of which have you seen the 8 warrior ravanna ex clear?

I think two things to think about are have there been any feats done from the other two tanks that are equal to the warrior?
and even putting aside whether you believe warrior is far better then the other two tanks at the moment, should any tank job be able to be stack 7 of the same job and clear brand new content as fast if not faster then a normal party set up at all?

[Sunako]

extremes have never been really dps check. More like mechanic checks. Ravana/bismark was supposed to been ilvl 160 content and you already get 180 ilvl gear + 190 ilvl weapon once it was relevant content.

[Freyyy]

should any tank job be able to be stack 7 of the same job and clear brand new content as fast if not faster then a normal party set up at all?

Oh my god. Like people have already said multiple times, this 7 WAR setup doesn't clear the fight "as fast" as a normal setup at ALL. If they are clearing it as fast as your group, then your group has shitty DPS, bottom line. Look at the video, look at the boss's HP. When a normal setup would have already cleared, they are still at ~15%. And these are extremly skilled WARs with full 210 gear and stuff, ask 7 random WARs to do that, they'll not even get past meteors for sure.

[Launched]

I think two things to think about are have there been any feats done from the other two tanks that are equal to the warrior?
and even putting aside whether you believe warrior is far better then the other two tanks at the moment, should any tank job be able to be stack 7 of the same job and clear brand new content as fast if not faster then a normal party set up at all?

Are there even any PLD/DRK players that enjoy their job enough to try something like this? Because all I see in threads like this are complaints that WAR can do it, not any proof that PLDs or DRKs even attempted it.

No, they're not clearing as fast as any equally skilled group (or even many less skilled ones) , and it can hardly be considered new, challenging content when it's been several weeks into a casual catch up patch.

[Freyyy]

and it can hardly be considered new, challenging content when it's been several weeks into a casual catch up patch.

And considering the fight has been tuned for i190... The fight was already overgeared by everyone since its release.