Who is jumping ship once they start charging in November?

[Bearforce]

So uhh, on forums consisting of people that in majority do not even play this game are not willing to pay the sub fee.

they do not count because a good reason Not paying the sub fee makes thier opinion invalid?

On the other hand, on the official forums (where everyone posting here is required to at least have logged in in the past month), forums where the majority of people do play this game, the majority are staying.

how do you know that the people are posting in ffxiv forums is a Majority to begin with?

In essence, why would anyone care what the poll results on these forums show, when it's pretty apparent what the actual playerbase, the population that the addition of fee actually affects, thinks?

posting in denial, do you? why would SE care if make a section called the "general discussion forums"? why would yoshida care by Going around the world for interviews after announcing the roadmap? Even here they do take account on the minority too!

[Preypacer]

they do not count because a good reason Not paying the sub fee makes thier opinion invalid?

No, it makes it invalid because on sites like ZAM and such, they don't even have to own the game to begin with in order to post their opinion. People who haven't even so much as purchased the game, much less with an active character, have nothing to lose or gain by subs being reinstated. They are unaffected. Yet, they can still cast a vote.

It's kind of moot to ask someone if "they intend to leave when Subs start" when they don't have the game in the first place and may have no interest in playing it at all. Why should their opinion matter?

Here on FFXIV we can guarantee 1 thing about 100% of the people posting: They own the game and have at least 1 active character in the game. They've invested money in the game, have (ostensibly) played it and stand to be affected by the subs going active. If they do not wish to pay, they don't get to play the game any further. If they do wish to pay the sub, they do get to continue playing. Either way, they are affected. This makes their feedback relevant.

Also, the feedback of those here is actually based on knowledge of the game itself, what state its in, etc. They've played the game, they've seen the changes over time, if they've been here since the start (and a lot have), they can see where the game is now compared to where it was before Yoshi took over. Theirs is an informed opinion.

And, frankly, anyone who's spent any time on non-official game forums knows that there are plenty of people out there who love to go into the forums for games they don't like and do the best they can to trash, troll, bash and flame the game and the people who play it in any way they can. Or they could simply be casting a vote to say "I wouldn't pay a sub for the game", because they had no intention of doing so anyway.

Let me ask you this, and please answer honestly, would you be so quick to dismiss the results of the "polls" on this site if they leaned more toward the negative?

how do you know that the people are posting in ffxiv forums is a Majority to begin with?

It doesn't have to be. It's representative of a portion of the playerbase as a whole, as is any game's forum community. When polls are conducted, pollsters don't go around asking every single person in a given demographic their opinion. They get a sampling and then extrapolate the outcome based on the results.

It's no less valid as a poll than those on other sites that people are quick to cite as "more representative". The only difference here - and it is a substantial difference - is that there's a control in place on these forums, in that the people voting have to actually have an account and an active character in game to "like" one post or the other. The results can't be tainted by people who don't own the game casting their "vote" anyway.

posting in denial, do you? why would SE care if make a section called the "general discussion forums"? why would yoshida care by Going around the world for interviews after announcing the roadmap? Even here they do take account on the minority too!

Betelgeuzah isn't posting in denial. He's raising valid points... You simply disagree with his perspective and, clearly, can't tolerate someone not seeing things the way you do... thus you accuse them of "posting in denial".

As for why Yoshi is traveling the world and doing all these interviews. It's called PR.

Every game has people who do a ton of interviews after any major announcement, update, etc. Hell, actors do the PR circuit when a new movie is announced. Bands do the PR circuit when a new CD or Tour is announced, etc. It's not neven limited to gaming.

Yoshi isn't going to all these interviews simply to get "feedback on whether or not people want to sub". That topic doesn't even come up unless the interviewer specifically asks them about it. He was asked about it by a few interviewers because it was obviously big news for the game having had no fees for all this time.

The subscription questions have been asked multiple times now. The answers have been given and everyone who's interested should know by now what SE's stance is on it. There's no need to pursue it further, not with a bunch of new information that could be obtained about FFXIV's future and is, frankly, far more interesting.

A new interview was recently posted here with a website ending in .de (I can't remember the full URL). The subject of subscriptions is never even brought up.

[Coglin]

Go to BG, you'll see a poll where the majority is leaving.
Go to Zam, you'll see a poll where the majority is leaving.
Go to FFXIVCore, you'll see a poll where the majority is leaving.
Go to GamerEscape, you'll see about dozen people left, huddling together for warmth. Take pity on them

I thought this post was hilarious.

I looked up a few player names from posters on both Zam and the Core, and I looked up a few names. 8 of ten who plan to quit on the Core appear to have quit some time ago or to not have played in a while. 6 of the first 10 I researched on Zam. I would say its viable they are posting in those 2 locations because they can't log into the lodestone due to not having logged in the game in some time.

[Suirieko]

I thought this post was hilarious.

I looked up a few player names from posters on both Zam and the Core, and I looked up a few names. 8 of ten who plan to quit on the Core appear to have quit some time ago or to not have played in a while. 6 of the first 10 I researched on Zam. I would say its viable they are posting in those 2 locations because they can't log into the lodestone due to not having logged in the game in some time.

Right. Poll Results are skewed in the first place. The forums are generally somewhat more accurate because only people that are currently playing and have an active account can post here, and I'd imagine being able to like posts as well.

Polls on other forums don't even take consideration whether the person is even playing or not. if they're not playing why should they answer?

[Zenaku]

Right. Poll Results are skewed in the first place. The forums are generally somewhat more accurate because only people that are currently playing and have an active account can post here, and I'd imagine being able to like posts as well.

Polls on other forums don't even take consideration whether the person is even playing or not. if they're not playing why should they answer?

forgot that you can also make more account to vote and you can vote on zam,core, and everywhere else unlike here you need a account to even log in so it accurate. I do agree a lot of players are leaving but a lot more are staying just due to the fact the game is good enough and they waste to much time playing it.

Even the players who said they leaving how much you want to bet they be posting here once p2p comes? i bet a few would

[AmyRae]

Right. Poll Results are skewed in the first place. The forums are generally somewhat more accurate because only people that are currently playing and have an active account can post here, and I'd imagine being able to like posts as well.

Polls on other forums don't even take consideration whether the person is even playing or not. if they're not playing why should they answer?

So FFXIVCore's own, self-promoting admin is throwing its users under the bus. What an unexpected paradox.

[Shneibel]

I will bungle jump the ship when they start charge in november

[Betelgeuzah]

they do not count because a good reason Not paying the sub fee makes thier opinion invalid?

Not being a part of the demographic that plays this game and to whom the sub fee is marketed towards makes their opinion invalid.

how do you know that the people are posting in ffxiv forums is a Majority to begin with?

Majority...of what? I said that the majority of people posting here have logged in the game in the past 30 days, while the majority of people on the other sites (BG especially) have not. How do I know this? Gee, I wonder..

posting in denial, do you? why would SE care if make a section called the "general discussion forums"? why would yoshida care by Going around the world for interviews after announcing the roadmap? Even here they do take account on the minority too!

You didn't answer my question. Why would SE care what people who aren't playing this game think about the sub fee? Should Blizzard care about the 6,88 billion people who don't want to pay WoW's sub fee?

[irongripz]

Not being a part of the demographic that plays this game and to whom the sub fee is marketed towards makes their opinion invalid.



Majority...of what? I said that the majority of people posting here have logged in the game in the past 30 days, while the majority of people on the other sites (BG especially) have not. How do I know this? Gee, I wonder..



You didn't answer my question. Why would SE care what people who aren't playing this game think about the sub fee? Should Blizzard care about the 6,88 billion people who don't want to pay WoW's sub fee?

the problem from the start is SE did not want to listen to anyone besides the same people who played ffxi. that is why this game runs the exact same. there is a reason only 40 chars can be shown on screen at a time. ffxi was like that. this game is broke because it wont listen to anyone besides those telling them its enjoyable. the majority opinions matter, but will never be heard with the biased dev team on these forums deleting any post that does not say... oh Thank you SE for selling me a unfinished product then laying out a map. to the finished version. ill pay for the unfinished crap you sold me until the real game gets here... yea only die hard fanboys throwing money at SE matter the gaming community that SE is targeting over here does not matter.

[Rinsui]

So uhh, on forums consisting of people that in majority do not even play this game are not willing to pay the sub fee.

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So...
What is your conspiracy theory on who hired those... uh... completely uninterested people to post their... uh... completely fictional opinions?

Blizzard? Because they so much fear FFXIV as a serious competitor?
TRION? Because Rift is targeting exactly the same customer base?
Lucas Arts? Because FFXIV is just as story-driven as SWTOR?

Not being a part of the demographic that plays this game and to whom the sub fee is marketed towards makes their opinion invalid.

So what is the target demographic of FFXIV? Balding nerds in their late 30s who consider watching their "slightly slutty" (TM) cat girl companions and netflix-crafting more important than solid, imersive gameplay, a continuous, captivating storyline and... fun for the fun of playing a game?