Who is jumping ship once they start charging in November?

[Seirra_Lanzce]

yea maybe beta was over exaggerating. its more like a obsolete game, that is getting canned. sugar coat it all you want it wont be same game u pay for come 2.0.

if it's an obsolete game, it wont even be able to boot up nor able to log in nor able to even walk or attack or talk or what ever, that is what an obsolete game is lol, anyway like i said you're not gonna pay for 2.0, because you already paid for 2.0, that is why when 2.0 release they will give ya another free trial period to compensate for it no?

The payment that is introducing is for the content that is coming on patch 1.21 -> 1.23. that is all, the whole 7th Umbral Era event is a content and that is what they are charging us for.

[stoned]

Hustled the first time shame on them. Hustled the second time...

Why should we pay them to fix their broken software. It is analogous to a car salesman selling you a lemon and then having the audacity of telling you that he will fix it but it will cost you payments over the next year.

Keep in mind this "car" cost all of us 10's of MILLIONS of dollars collectively. For such a high dollar product they should be fixing it themselves on their own dollar. Also they should give the 31 million back. What a scam. Does this not ERK anyone else. WE WERE HOSED! WE TRUSTED THEIR PRODUCT AND THEY ARE STILL LEECHING MONEY INTO THEIR HUGE BANK ACCOUNTS!

its erks alot of people but most of them left lol, all thats lefts is mainly people who dont realize how bad this game is and have been playing since release or before. sadly some of them seriously thinks SE is in financial state of NEED to fix the car. even tho they are one of the bigest gaming companys out there. its pretty sad, and pathetic.

[stoned]

I honestly haven't played the game in like 3 or more months because I had to sell my PC due to personal finance issues. Yah I was able to log in briefly at a friends house to post heh. Anyway, from everything i've seen and read so far, even tho I cannot play actively, I will still be supporting FFXIV as I believe in Yoshida and his dev team and all the amazing work they've done to turn this game around so far and all of the future work they will be doing. I mean this game was garbage when it first came out and would have been probably dead or in some unknown direction had Tanaka stayed as the producer. When I finally do get a PC I cannot wait to play the game and see all the handy work they've done since I been gone. Thanks guys!

if you have ever played a mmo that was not made by SE and thought it was good... wait to come back till after 2.0.

[stoned]

The saying goes "you get what you pay for" and if we keep paying nothing thats exactly what we are going to get.


And on that note, I hope that if SE decides to reward us with gear or gil or shiney new toys for sticking with them through the good and the bad with xiv, they exclude those who jump ship when they start charging.

this is main reason im sure most of you are staying hoping you get some sort of browny points.

[stoned]

I would, but FFXIV doesn't have a jump function. :X

i guess we are all stuck here

[channell]

I don't think this game have actually enough content & quality to justify a full fee, so i don't think that's a fair price.

[Seirra_Lanzce]

I don't think this game have actually enough content & quality to justify a full fee, so i don't think that's a fair price.

If you look at the Roadmap and read some concrete interviews, after 1.20, when the billing start; Patch 1.21 is the start of having *more* content and the event of the 7th Umbral Era will be more evidence.

[Preypacer]

People keep looking at it based on what they know or have achieved in the game as of now using that as a measuring stick of whether or not the game "has enough content".

We've all had up to 13 months to play the game sub-free. A lot of people have been through and completed a lot of content in that time. By the time subs roll around, it will be about 15 months. That's up to 15 months for people to have played numerous jobs to 50, to have completed a bunch of content, completed dungeons, defeated raid bosses and so forth... From that perspective, of course what's being added with 1.2 isn't going to seem like a lot.

But it's not the perspective of someone who's been playing for all that time that, I believe, Yoshi and SE are going on. I believe they're going on the perspective of what someone just starting from scratch, having never played the game before, would experience in FFXIV as a launch title.

If SE had delayed the launch of the game until it reached the point 1.2 will bring it to, or if it had launched in that state back in Sept 2010, we wouldn't be having this discussion, subs would have been active from the start, SE would have been moving forward with what 1.21+ will bring, and things would be progressing as they with any other sub-based MMO.

We'd all be starting from scratch (beta time notwithstanding), people wouldn't have multiple 50s already, many people wouldn't have done, or even known about much of the content that's in the game, we wouldn't have even reached much less defeated the mid or even high level dungeons, Ifrit, etc.

That's the perspective I believe Yoshi and SE are looking at it in. "How would this game rate as a day-1 launch title once the features of 1.2 are implemented"?

As someone who's already had many months to play and experience the game, one could not objectively say "It wouldn't be enough" because as a brand-new player, you wouldn't even know all of what the game offers, beyond the content immediately available to you at level 1.

Given what is in the game now and what will be added with 1.2, I think it's a very fair assessment to say that FFXIV would qualify as a launch-ready title, and will warrant the full monthly sub.

That said...

I notice people are now starting to jump off the "paying for beta" bandwagon, since that "theory's" been debunked by several people. So now they're conveniently changing it to "obsolete game".

One excuse is no longer valid, so you simply replace it with another. Well isn't that quaint.

How completely transparent can you be?

[AmyRae]

If SE had delayed the launch of the game until it reached the point 1.2 will bring it to, or if it had launched in that state back in Sept 2010, we wouldn't be having this discussion, subs would have been active from the start, SE would have been moving forward with what 1.21+ will bring, and things would be progressing as they with any other sub-based MMO.

FFXIV would have still scored poorly if it had launched in its current state for many of the same reasons.

Granted, there have been improvements in the UI, and hey, there's chocobos!

But the economy is about as dysfunctional as always. The game eats graphics cards for breakfast, and yet still suffers from screen tearing and image stuttering on the best cards. There's a constant, perceptible lag that can't be cured without completely new client-server code. You can't organize linkshells. You can't search for players and form parties very easily. The battle system is still being futzed with. The game still suffers from a serious lack of content.

There's nothing like waiting a whole minute for that NPC you want to talk to to finally load on the screen. There's nothing like wandering around the terrain and not being sure where you are because the clearing you're in looks exactly like the last 3 clearings you've passed though.

Now, let me take a step back here...

If they had looked in their crystal ball, they never would have launched with the game in its current form in the first place. They would have gone straight to 2.0 without passing Go or collecting $12.99/month from a disillusioned fan base.

1.0 still exists because early this year, they decided they wanted to make it up to their players and keep them engaged until they could create a Final Fantasy game worthy of its brand. What we have now is almost as good as the 1.0 version could possibly get, which is still for the most part, quite broken. It can't be fixed completely without the new version that's coming out next year when it presumably will be worthy of the Final Fantasy brand.

So you really shouldn't be surprised to see some annoyance with being asked to pay full price for something less than worthy of the Final Fantasy brand. Even if there are some who will stick with it, the future of the game depends on a good reputation and large fan base.

Telling people to take a hike for not liking what they're being offered here actually does the game a disservice, and wounds it even more, even if you think somehow you're helping it. FFXIV will live if it has a big tent filled with players of all sorts of play styles, not a small group of curmudgeons scaring the kids off their lawn because they refuse to take the concerns of the larger population seriously.

[Anapingofness]

We've had this discussion before... o O:

But I'll say my piece again because you took the time to ask the question ^^

/No

Not unless they reduce the fee by 50%(at least). The game is half done in my opinion, and I refuse to pay full price for a game that is half done. Moreover, I simply cannot place my trust in a company that has been abusing it so leisurely for the past several years. I need them to prove to me their intentions before my trust is reinstated.

Personally, they should keep it F2P. However, I can justify paying a discounted price for this game at its current state.

Other than that... I might return in 2.0, if the game still interests me. I can't say with a 100% accuracy if it will nor not at this point in time.

Those are my honest thoughts and opinions.

To those of you who do not agree with me. No harm, no foul. Those are your thoughts/opinions and I respect them. I ask you to respect mine. Let's agree to disagree.