Astro needs a Nerf in PVP

[TheWaywardWind]

Does nobody remember in slaughter/secure when scholars were practically unkillable? It was the same situation, and you just dealt with it as best you could. When I play AST, you can tell who's team is coordinated or not. They either let me run around like an idiot and heal spam or I get stunned and slammed by everyone's burst at once and die before I have a chance to do anything. It's always taken a few people to kill a prepared healer without Raw Destruction, Ast is no more powerful now than Sch was before, the tables have just been turned for them compared to the new class.

This.

You can keep your whining about AST, because half of the "complaints" and "problems" listed by people in this thread are easily applied to the other two healers as well.

The ONLY thing that I can see people arguing against is Aspected Benefic being instant cast, but that's it. And if you take that away, Scholars need a nerf as well, because having your fairy still being able to heal you while you're being slept/stunned/whatever is just as unfair as AST being able to spam Aspected Benefic.

I cannot believe that Scholars went on for YEARS with being ridiculously OP in PvP and nobody bats an eye, and the second that spot gets usurped everyone starts pouting and stomping their feet.

[Lorielle]

SNIP.

Uhh, no. That's not the same thing at all. Why you even tried to draw that parallel is beyond me. Why? Because Selene/Eos can be slept/killed. Their casts are not instant. And it's only just that anyway, a cure. Aspected Benefic is a instant HEAL AND SHIELD(if in Noc Stance...which all AST are).

I don't know about you, but I never saw SCH as the same power levels as AST when it comes to Shield/Healing unless that magical crit happens. But even, dem cast times! They gonna get ya!

[Dimitrii]

Lol at the notion that scholar possessing 6 insta cast lustrates equates in any way to unlimited insta cast noct cures (even ignoring the fact that you can wipe away aetherflow stacks its still no comparison). Scholars were never said to have been unkillable back in the secure days idk where you are getting that from. Unless you are mistaking the people who used to whine that they couldn't solo schs as dps as it meaning that scholar is unkillable which is just ridiculous.

[Sunako]

Astro do not really have anything special outside Aspected Benefic in pvp. Whm can spam regens and keep most of time everybody up if there is not high pressure on one player and have insanely good cc with repose, fluid aura, stone, swiftcast holy etc. SCH heal more burst healing with 9x lustrate and pet is immune for cc with rouse and you can always summon new one. Aspected Benefic is superior for astro because they lack other things and cards are not really that special for pvp as it is for pve.

[TheWaywardWind]

I don't know about you, but I never saw SCH as the same power levels as AST when it comes to Shield/Healing unless that magical crit happens. But even, dem cast times! They gonna get ya!

You're making very large logical assumptions, and again you talk about CC, in the sense that everything is fixed with a sleep/kill (which Scholars are more likely to kill first for an extra 3 lustrates and a 20% healing increase because lolscrewyou), when the same thing can just as easily be applied to Astro, and as previously stated, Rouse fixes your "stun problem."

Maybe I'm just used to downing Astro's more effectively, but everyone who consistently bitches about them being OP seriously just doesn't know how to co-ordinate with other people, I guess.

Lol at the notion that scholar possessing 6 insta cast lustrates equates in any way to unlimited insta cast noct cures (even ignoring the fact that you can wipe away aetherflow stacks its still no comparison). Scholars were never said to have been unkillable back in the secure days idk where you are getting that from. Unless you are mistaking the people who used to whine that they couldn't solo schs as dps as it meaning that scholar is unkillable which is just ridiculous.

Nobody said they were unkillable, so I don't know why you're putting words into my mouth instead of reading what I'm saying, but they were OP and far superior and harder to kill than White Mages, and if you're going to contest that, it's painfully obvious you didn't WD/Secure much.

[Dimitrii]

Does nobody remember in slaughter/secure when scholars were practically unkillable? It was the same situation, and you just dealt with it as best you could. When I play AST, you can tell who's team is coordinated or not. They either let me run around like an idiot and heal spam or I get stunned and slammed by everyone's burst at once and die before I have a chance to do anything. It's always taken a few people to kill a prepared healer without Raw Destruction, Ast is no more powerful now than Sch was before, the tables have just been turned for them compared to the new class.

This.

You can keep your whining about AST, because half of the "complaints" and "problems" listed by people in this thread are easily applied to the other two healers as well.

The ONLY thing that I can see people arguing against is Aspected Benefic being instant cast, but that's it. And if you take that away, Scholars need a nerf as well, because having your fairy still being able to heal you while you're being slept/stunned/whatever is just as unfair as AST being able to spam Aspected Benefic.

I cannot believe that Scholars went on for YEARS with being ridiculously OP in PvP and nobody bats an eye, and the second that spot gets usurped everyone starts pouting and stomping their feet.

Nah you should probably just read what you are quoting first before blindly agreeing with it. You are grasping at straws pretty hard with your SCH/AST comparison as well.

[Lorielle]

The difference between CC SCH and CC AST are vastly different. I only say sleep/kill because I don't feel like listing the entire toolset. Stun/Sleep/Silence/Kill. The third is more likely do the most effect to ANY Healer versus the first two. The SCH will -eventually- run out of stacks if their Fairy is out of play. AST has the instant cures and shield to cover them over as long as needed(because you know..700 MP a cast for a 2-3k Heal/Shield). AST has far more endurance than the other two combined at the cost of 707 MP. SCH is more than likely going to blow all their lustrates to keep themselves alive, but that's it after that(or if someone just removes them. RIP)

This is the same concept of SMN, but with a different situation. Can they be killed? Yes. Are their single abilitiy unparalleled for low cost? Definitely. That's what people call out on OP. Not the job itself, but simply Noc Aspected Benefic.

[Seoulstar]

ive been killed quite easily in PVP as an ast. Mainly due to being stun locked lol

[GrumbleBeard]

Lol at the notion that scholar possessing 6 insta cast lustrates equates in any way to unlimited insta cast noct cures

Back when 50 was the cap? Yeah, it was pretty much the same thing. You had to go through the exact same process to kill them then as you do AST now. The point is, the healers have never been evenly balanced.

[TheWaywardWind]

Nah you should probably just read what you are quoting first before blindly agreeing with it. You are grasping at straws pretty hard with your SCH/AST comparison as well.

I think you need to look up what the word "practically" means and re-read my argument because it's very clear you don't have a single clue as to what either means.

You also completely ignored the second half of my post, so get back to me on that when you read it.