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    Are Moogles and Gaelikitten both connected to Azysla? (+theory?)

    Has anyone ever thought they might be connected since they all seem to be in proximity to Azyzla and have similar looking wings? Aside from the fact Moogles have a useless (yet decent nightlight) fluffy pompom that no other creature could normally develop.

    This is my theory on these critters.

    Given the appearance of bioengineering in Azysla. My running theory is they made Gaelikittens as an engineered prototype domestic pet that always stayed cute as a kitten. But wound up being to feral and independent than normal cats. Eventually they wound up making a version as Moogles, non threatening domestic doll-like pets that were smart enough to do chores around the house. Among others were the Ixali and other mass produced security constructs for market use.

    A security failure (possibly relating to that broken container by the dragon area) allowed a bunch of things to escape or be blown away (Ixali) by gail force winds. The escaping experiments only reinforced the Vanu's notion of it being a forbidden place. One of which dropped a security key to the place.

    The few escaped Gaelikittens continued to live around Cloudtop while the newly freed Moogles had to group up and migrate out of fear for the surroundings and ended up in The Churning Mists. There a Moogle self named Moggle Mog (for formality) negotiated an agreement with a local dragoon if he promised not to eat them. There they discovered kupo nuts and did most of the house work. Time goes by and fighting broke out, breaking up the land and forcing a bunch of Moogle to seek out other places to live down below. Those waiting behind had no choice but to Moogle-up or become food.

    Meanwhile Gaelikittens continued to live and get more wild on the other floating islands. Those left on Azysla became a source of food for the other things there and were wiped out along with anything else domestic to sterilize and re secure the facility.
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    Would any of this be plausible or am I just reading way to much into the existing lore?
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    I wouldn't rule it out as a possibility but at the same time...Hydaelyn existed before the Allagans rose to prominence. Not every race will have been genetically engineered - but we already know that at least one of the Beast Tribes can be linked to genetic experimentation. The Ixal are descended from the Ixalion after all. I also cannot help but note that the Amaalaja look pretty similar to the reptile creatures seen in Azyz Lla.
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    1: Moogles aren't classified as a beast tribe.
    2: They Predate the Third Astral Era

    3: Allags developed Bio-Weapons at Azys Lla so the Moogle being completely useless ruels them out.

    This is why I hate the over focus on Allag. There were two Astral and Three Umbral eras before Allag, not everything traces back to them.

    How ever, Galecats and Moogles could be loosly related. They're biologically simmiler enough to share a common ancestor.
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    The moogles serve the dragons, and the dragons all hate Allag. If the moogles were Allagan creations, I doubt the dragons would have anything to do with them.
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    I jokingly thought that Gaelicats were related with Moogles, perhaps even proto-moogles.

    The only thing we know about Gaelicats is that scholars believe they're either low-tiered voidsent or beastkin. Moogles are not considered as neither of that.
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    Last edited by myahele; 11-25-2015 at 10:19 AM.

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    Arent the Wings Gaelicats wear backpacks? You you look close at them they seem to be wearing vests.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Belhi View Post
    Arent the Wings Gaelicats wear backpacks? You you look close at them they seem to be wearing vests.
    Well, we'll never know until someone can get close enough to check without being clawed.

    The Gaelikitten says so.

    For the rest, Ancient Aliens gif.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaiser-Ace View Post
    1: Moogles aren't classified as a beast tribe.
    2: They Predate the Third Astral Era
    We don't actually know that, though. Since FFXIV in general leans more towards "all myths are false," the age when they served "the gods" and the disaster that drove them to the Twelveswood actually has two possible in-lore matches. We're currently meant to associate this with the Age of the Gods and the Calamity of Fire, as no doubt the Moogles themselves have concluded from comparing their myths with those of humans, but there's an equally possible and much more recent match in their servitude in Dravania and Nidhogg's destructive rampage after Ratatoskr's death. If the Allagan remnants in the Aery are any indicator, Nidhogg is the other dragon that escaped Azys Lla, and the Moogles could have come with him to Dravania after pledging their service.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fenral View Post
    We don't actually know that, though. Since FFXIV in general leans more towards "all myths are false," the age when they served "the gods" and the disaster that drove them to the Twelveswood actually has two possible in-lore matches. We're currently meant to associate this with the Age of the Gods and the Calamity of Fire, as no doubt the Moogles themselves have concluded from comparing their myths with those of humans, but there's an equally possible and much more recent match in their servitude in Dravania and Nidhogg's destructive rampage after Ratatoskr's death. If the Allagan remnants in the Aery are any indicator, Nidhogg is the other dragon that escaped Azys Lla, and the Moogles could have come with him to Dravania after pledging their service.
    Actually, The fact that the disaster happened BEFORE Mog Home was built (As displayed by the fact they said the Islands in the Sea of Clouds were one land mass pre-disaster) then I think it's safe to assume they indeed pre-date allage. Only the Ixali themselves have to connected to them. (Much to my disgust as I personally want to be done with allage once and for all)

    But what we know for sure out of these is that the Moogles ARE NOT Beast Tribes as that is an Arbitrary Classification placed on them by The Spoken Races. the Amaljaa seem to be based on Fire Elementals known as Salamanders, The Sylphes being the Wind Elementals of the same name, the Kobolds being Gnomes, and the Sahagan paralleling to Undine. (Yes SAO uses the names but it's copying the origin).

    The Ixali, Vanu Vanu, and Gnath are outliers as are Moogles but unlike the other seven no one has ever called Moogles Beast Men. After all, even the Sylphes are called beastmen despite their good relations with Gridania. So the Moogles aren't beastmen. And I'll continue to champion that the Allagans weren't as involved as it seems just because I hate the idea that they, despite only being Third Astral Era, are so damn dominant in the lore.

    Aaaaaaand I'm rambling again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fenral View Post
    If the Allagan remnants in the Aery are any indicator, Nidhogg is the other dragon that escaped Azys Lla, and the Moogles could have come with him to Dravania after pledging their service.
    Ah, but wasn't that confirmed by a dev interview to be remains of Dalamud? (Much to my disappointment, mind you.) I believe the interview in question even jokes about the coincidence of the remnants of Nidhogg's brother's prison landing in his house. Let's see if I can dredge up that link. (Also considering the relative ignorance of present day Moogles about Ratatoskr and the betrayal of the Landlords, one questions how long Moogles live compared to Dragons--probably roughly the same as the other Races of Man and Beastman.)

    Aaaaaand found the tumblr that links to the Dengeki article with the interview in question: http://haru-qwey.tumblr.com/post/128...83%AA%E3%83%BC
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